Christian Phalangists, still our friends? |
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Christian Phalangists, still our friends? |
Sep 25 2005, 10:07 PM
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-------------------- Formerly known as "exsatmar"
“Discord was the mother of this monstrosity [Kabbalah], which has ever been the cause of schism" Graetz, Heinrich. History of the Jews, vol. 3, p. 547. ____________________________ ותיינה בנות ישראל היפות בכל התבל מסע לארץ- ישראל בשנת ת"ת לאלף השלישי / אלחנן ליב לוינסקי |
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Sep 25 2005, 10:10 PM
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-------------------- Formerly known as "exsatmar"
“Discord was the mother of this monstrosity [Kabbalah], which has ever been the cause of schism" Graetz, Heinrich. History of the Jews, vol. 3, p. 547. ____________________________ ותיינה בנות ישראל היפות בכל התבל מסע לארץ- ישראל בשנת ת"ת לאלף השלישי / אלחנן ליב לוינסקי |
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Sep 25 2005, 10:19 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Banned Posts: 5,704 Joined: 3-January 05 From: New Jerz Member No.: 984 |
Stop looking for friends. You have none.
Now get over it, and do what you have to do. -------------------- "Wrong? What went wrong?" --George W. Bush
"They're taking their shower, now let them drown in it."--Rush Limbaugh "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."--Barbara Bush "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did." --Richard H. Baker (R-Louisiana) |
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Sep 25 2005, 10:23 PM
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and what do I have to do.
BTW does anyone know how many percent of Lebanese are Christians. -------------------- Formerly known as "exsatmar"
“Discord was the mother of this monstrosity [Kabbalah], which has ever been the cause of schism" Graetz, Heinrich. History of the Jews, vol. 3, p. 547. ____________________________ ותיינה בנות ישראל היפות בכל התבל מסע לארץ- ישראל בשנת ת"ת לאלף השלישי / אלחנן ליב לוינסקי |
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Sep 26 2005, 03:01 AM
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Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 785 Joined: 15-August 05 From: Jerusalem (Givat Shaul) Member No.: 1,739 |
Muslim 59.7% (Shi'a, Sunni, Druze, Isma'ilite, Alawite or Nusayri), Christian 39% (Maronite Catholic, Melkite Catholic, Armenian Orthodox, Syrian Catholic, Armenian Catholic, Roman Catholic, Protestant), other 1.3%
note: seventeen religious sects recognized http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/le.html = the best resource for such information ever online. -------------------- |
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Sep 26 2005, 03:09 AM
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Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 785 Joined: 15-August 05 From: Jerusalem (Givat Shaul) Member No.: 1,739 |
Returning to the issue, I think that we can definitely consider them our friends. Perhaps not from the depths of our hearts, but for practical purposes, definitely.
Aside from their slightly noticeable logo, their website does contain several links to MDA, the IDF, and the Free Pollard movement. And if you read the 'Our Beliefs' section, it doesn't look worrisome at all. Though I don't like point 15. Neither do I agree with much of the rest (I support outlawing personal firearms, I oppose outlawing homosexuality etc.), but those are normal points of political discussion, not at all controversial. Let me copy point 23. "23. That the U.S. should boycott and stop all foreign aid to nations that persecute or permit the persecution of Christians and Jews." -------------------- |
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Sep 26 2005, 04:46 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 16,820 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Occupied Palestine Member No.: 407 |
They shouldn't be our friends anymore after they fought and died for us and then we dumped them like yesterday's trash and refused to grant them asylum.
Israel has a terrible habit of punishing the few nations who do help us and it is a Huge Chillul Hashem..... -------------------- [/flirting]
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Sep 26 2005, 07:13 AM
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Godol Hador Group: Banned Posts: 5,704 Joined: 3-January 05 From: New Jerz Member No.: 984 |
QUOTE (Daniel @ Sep 26 2005, 04:09 AM) Returning to the issue, I think that we can definitely consider them our friends. Perhaps not from the depths of our hearts, but for practical purposes, definitely. I'm not sure that Israelis are good at "doing" the whole political bedfellow thing, and pulling it off with positive results. And I'm not sure it's G_d's best for them, either. It may very well be that Jews in Israel have learned what many in America and Europe have-that trust has to be 100% or nothing. -------------------- "Wrong? What went wrong?" --George W. Bush
"They're taking their shower, now let them drown in it."--Rush Limbaugh "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."--Barbara Bush "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did." --Richard H. Baker (R-Louisiana) |
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Sep 26 2005, 08:33 PM
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I'm not too keen on Greek Orthodox , most of whom are fiercely pro-Palli.
Our allies were (are?)mostly Maronite (Aramaic speaking) Christians and Phalangists like the Gemayels, Walid Phares, Abu Arz, Former SLA chief of staff Antoine Lahad and Michel Aoun (potentially). Many Christian Chaldeans too (mostly in Iraq and parts of Syria) are also pro-israel. I understand tthe maronites were once the most powerful ethnic group at least among the christians and probably the most numerous (partly due to French favoritism). I wonder what percentage they now constitute among the Christians. How do we reconcile this with the recent polls showing 99% of Lebanese have a negative attitude toward Jews? unless maronite christians constitute 1 % of Lebanon's population or that polls are unreliable especially in an intolerant country where the wrong answer may get you in trouble.. Lebanese Faction: "No Palestinian Should Be Left in Lebanon" 18:49 Sep 26, '05 / 22 Elul 5765 (IsraelNN.com) A Christian Lebanese organization called Guardians of the Cedars is running a recruitment campaign that calls for expelling or killing Arabs in PLO refugee camps and confiscating their property. The organization held a news conference earlier this month during which CDs were distributed with the slogans "No Palestinian Should Be Left in Lebanon". The Guardians of the Cedars is formulating itself as a political party anew after the Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Lebanese police arrested three leaders of the Guardians party for "breaching judicial clauses" and "harming relations with Arab countries" following the September 13 press conference. PLO sources called the arrested men "pro-Israeli." The expatriate leader of the group, Etienne Sakr (known as Abu Arz), has been sentenced to death in absentia for collaborating with Israel. -------------------- Formerly known as "exsatmar"
“Discord was the mother of this monstrosity [Kabbalah], which has ever been the cause of schism" Graetz, Heinrich. History of the Jews, vol. 3, p. 547. ____________________________ ותיינה בנות ישראל היפות בכל התבל מסע לארץ- ישראל בשנת ת"ת לאלף השלישי / אלחנן ליב לוינסקי |
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Sep 26 2005, 08:53 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 2,875 Joined: 2-August 05 Member No.: 1,698 |
I have to say I never met a Lebanese person, even a Christian Lebanese, who was pro-Israel.
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Sep 26 2005, 09:23 PM
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Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 517 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Olam HaZeh Member No.: 1,756 |
Looks like the CIA to me.
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Sep 27 2005, 01:33 AM
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2 prominent American Christian Lebanese that come to mind are Ralph Nader and Jeanine Pirro.
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Sep 27 2005, 01:39 AM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 2,875 Joined: 2-August 05 Member No.: 1,698 |
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Sep 27 2005, 04:45 AM
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Godol Hador Group: Banned Posts: 5,704 Joined: 3-January 05 From: New Jerz Member No.: 984 |
I thought Pirro was just a low-class Italian Republican clone from Westchester, with a mobbed-up husband and a thirst for revenge.
-------------------- "Wrong? What went wrong?" --George W. Bush
"They're taking their shower, now let them drown in it."--Rush Limbaugh "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."--Barbara Bush "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did." --Richard H. Baker (R-Louisiana) |
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Sep 27 2005, 07:01 AM
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Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 785 Joined: 15-August 05 From: Jerusalem (Givat Shaul) Member No.: 1,739 |
QUOTE (Shoshi @ Sep 27 2005, 09:39 AM) :D :D :D Come on, compared to many Dutch politicians, Ralph Nader is really a friend of Israel. -------------------- |
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Sep 27 2005, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (Daniel @ Sep 27 2005, 08:01 AM) QUOTE (Shoshi @ Sep 27 2005, 09:39 AM) :D :D :D Come on, compared to many Dutch politicians, Ralph Nader is really a friend of Israel. For whatever it's worth, a recent poll showed that the Dutch have the most favorable opinion of Jews (I think it was in the 80 percent range). Don't know how accurate that poll was because France came in second place... -------------------- Formerly known as "exsatmar"
“Discord was the mother of this monstrosity [Kabbalah], which has ever been the cause of schism" Graetz, Heinrich. History of the Jews, vol. 3, p. 547. ____________________________ ותיינה בנות ישראל היפות בכל התבל מסע לארץ- ישראל בשנת ת"ת לאלף השלישי / אלחנן ליב לוינסקי |
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Sep 27 2005, 05:10 PM
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Lebanese Christian woman loves Israel By: TED S. STRATTON Staff Reporter TV personality educates people about country that helped save her family Brigette Gabriel will never forget one fateful day in 1975. One moment she was sitting in her upper-class home in Lebanon with her family. The next moment shells came screaming in from the battle taking place 50 yards above her house, and she was buried under tons of rubble. For two-and-a-half long months, the then 10-year-old Brigette was hospitalized. When she returned to her village of Marjayoun, five kilometers from the Israel border, her once-pleasant house had become a makeshift bomb shelter. The Muslim insurgents had completely decimated her mostly Christian town and they now controlled the key positions in Southern Lebanon. (Gabriel is Maronite, which she describes as equivalent to Roman Catholic). Gabriel stayed underground for seven years while civil war between Muslim militias and Maronite Christians raged on around her. From age ten to 17, she ate grass to supplement the meager servings of chickpeas, rice and lentils her mother was able to provide. She dodged snipers to get drinking and cooking water from a nearby spring. "I was robbed of my y |