Smoking, Why doesn't one make a Brachah. |
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Smoking, Why doesn't one make a Brachah. |
May 7 2004, 04:15 PM
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We make a Brachah on pretty much everything we derive pleasure from (Birkas Ha'nehenin), so why does this not go into the category of "Kol ha'neheneh min olam hazeh b'lo brachah k'eelu neheneh may'kodshei shomayim?
-------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 04:17 PM
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There's no substance.
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May 7 2004, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:15 PM) We make a Brachah on pretty much everything we derive pleasure from (Birkas Ha'nehenin), so why does this not go into the category of "Kol ha'neheneh min olam hazeh b'lo brachah k'eelu neheneh may'kodshei shomayim? The simple answer is that Chazal wasn't gozer on smoking. Does one make a bracha for music he enjoys? There are other examples of things we are neh'hne from that we don't make a birkas ha'nehenin on. |
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May 7 2004, 04:41 PM
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Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur.
-------------------- ...a Beis Yaakov education is like fabric softener for the brain. -Grend123
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May 7 2004, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE There's no substance Is there substance in a Brachah on something you smell? -------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (shim @ May 7 2004, 05:17 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:15 PM) We make a Brachah on pretty much everything we derive pleasure from (Birkas Ha'nehenin), so why does this not go into the category of "Kol ha'neheneh min olam hazeh b'lo brachah k'eelu neheneh may'kodshei shomayim? The simple answer is that Chazal wasn't gozer on smoking. Does one make a bracha for music he enjoys? There are other examples of things we are neh'hne from that we don't make a birkas ha'nehenin on. Not of things that we "take into" our body's. -------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. -------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. It's still assur though. You know it, I know it, and all those who smoke know it. -------------------- ...a Beis Yaakov education is like fabric softener for the brain. -Grend123
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May 7 2004, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:44 PM) QUOTE (shim @ May 7 2004, 05:17 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:15 PM) We make a Brachah on pretty much everything we derive pleasure from (Birkas Ha'nehenin), so why does this not go into the category of "Kol ha'neheneh min olam hazeh b'lo brachah k'eelu neheneh may'kodshei shomayim? The simple answer is that Chazal wasn't gozer on smoking. Does one make a bracha for music he enjoys? There are other examples of things we are neh'hne from that we don't make a birkas ha'nehenin on. Not of things that we "take into" our body's. edit: sorry, I misunderstood your post. What about soothing medication or a salve? There is definitely ha'anah, it definitely goes "into" your body and no bracha. This post has been edited by shim: May 7 2004, 04:52 PM |
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May 7 2004, 04:59 PM
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You don't make a Brachah on medication.
-------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:49 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. It's still assur though. You know it, I know it, and all those who smoke know it. Why, 'cause you decided? -------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 06:00 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:49 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. It's still assur though. You know it, I know it, and all those who smoke know it. Why, 'cause you decided? no, because it IS assur. -------------------- ...a Beis Yaakov education is like fabric softener for the brain. -Grend123
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May 7 2004, 05:05 PM
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In spite of the fact that it's called "birchat ha-nehenin", we don't make a berachah on every joy and pleasure - just food and fragrance (fragrance is a special case. it's food for the soul) - which is why I don't make a berachah every time I log in to hashkafah.com.
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May 7 2004, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 06:02 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 06:00 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:49 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. It's still assur though. You know it, I know it, and all those who smoke know it. Why, 'cause you decided? no, because it IS assur. I'm sorry I forgot that there can be a Machlokes Ha'poskim, R' Moshe= not Asur Cynic=Asur And mistameh since your more recent "Halach K'basroei". I think I get the picture. -------------------- .כלל הדבר, כי ראוי שיהיה השכל בן חורין -מהר"ל בחיד"א
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May 7 2004, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 06:08 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 06:02 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 06:00 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:49 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. It's still assur though. You know it, I know it, and all those who smoke know it. Why, 'cause you decided? no, because it IS assur. I'm sorry I forgot that there can be a Machlokes Ha'poskim, R' Moshe= not Asur Cynic=Asur And mistameh since your more recent "Halach K'basroei". I think I get the picture. R' Moshe declined to write that it is assur. He certaintly didn't say that it is permitted. |
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May 7 2004, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 06:08 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 06:02 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 06:00 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:49 PM) QUOTE (Aristotle @ May 7 2004, 05:46 PM) QUOTE (cynic @ May 7 2004, 05:41 PM) Besides the fact that you don't make a beracha on something assur. R' Moseh has a Tshuvah explaining why he doesn't Asur smoking. It's still assur though. You know it, I know it, and all those who smoke know it. Why, 'cause you decided? no, because it IS assur. I'm sorry I forgot that there can be a Machlokes Ha'poskim, R' Moshe= not Asur Cynic=Asur And mistameh since your more recent "Halach K'basroei". I think I get the picture. Bubbelah zeiskeit, you tell me one person who says smoking is muttar today. It is 100% assur. Assur gamur. It is not up for discussion or argument. Anybody who smokes today is wrong. I'm sure you're going to quote me a psak that smoking is actually a chiyuv on Yom Tov because it's an oneg, right? Also, even though it's passed, but I also remember reading how smoking is actually chametz as well. Yet of course you still see people smoking on Pesach, but that's off-topic. -------------------- ...a Beis Yaakov education is like fabric softener for the brain. -Grend123
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