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Sep 30 2007, 01:24 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,528 Joined: 1-November 04 From: Temporal lobe Member No.: 761 |
Loshon haRambam :
QUOTE יג [טו] האוכל גבינת הגויים, או חלב שחלבוהו ואין ישראל רואהו--מכין אותו מכת מרדות. החמאה של גויים--מקצת גאונים התירוה, שהרי לא גזרו על החמאה, וחלב הטמאה אינו עומד; ומקצת גאונים אסרוה, מפני ציחצוחי חלב שיישאר בה, שהרי הקוס שבחמאה אינו מעורב עם החמאה כדי שייבטל במיעוטו, וכל חלב שלהן חוששין לו, שמא עירב בו חלב טמאה. יד [טז] ייראה לי שאם לקח חמאה מן הגויים, ובישלה עד שהלכו להן ציחצוחי חלב--הרי זו מותרת: שאם תאמר נתערבו עימה ונתבשל הכול, בטלו במיעוטן. אבל החמאה שבישלו אותה גויים--אסורה משום גיעולי גויים, כמו שיתבאר. Tor is vary vague; Beis Yosef brings down several rishonim with the strongest opinion towards issur is, lechoira, Rashba, and after some shv"t Beis Yosef paskens that chemas akum is ok provided that (his words - cooked until) there are no drops of milk in it. In Sh"A, he further confirms the heiter - vaguely but firmly, unless local custom is strongly against it. Ramo confirms the heitar, adds a heitar to remove those potential drops of milk lekatchila and applies a matrix of local customs and how travellers should behave. Notably, Beis Yosef quotes another rishon as quoting Yerushalmi saying just as it's prohibited to allow a prohibited item, it's also prohibited to prohibit an allowed item. And he concludes with an interesting loshon of "Kedai Hu Rambam Lismoch Olov". (same loshon is used, by a later source, regarding Bach and chodosh) Some questions : 1. Is there an acharon and/or a rishon who unequivocally assers chemas akum ? 2. Why doesn't the author of psak regarding "chalav stam" use some of the halachic apparatus constructed by B"Y ? Of course, all this is of purely educational value; consult your OPS rep for actual applications. -------------------- "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
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Sep 30 2007, 03:11 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 13,850 Joined: 23-May 05 From: Tipah Sirucha Member No.: 1,516 |
2. Why doesn't the author of psak regarding "chalav stam" use some of the halachic apparatus constructed by B"Y ? It wouldnt apply to chalav stam milk. Anyway, IIRC he does. -------------------- "Eat. Spit. Be Happy." -Davids
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