Tur Oc 511, showering on YT |
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 Dec 30 2007, 05:27 PM
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How do people justify that? Let's assume daily showering these days is shaveh le-chol nefesh, still, that should only permit heating water on YT but not taking water from the tap and heating fresh water that you're not even using, and secondly, isn't there still an issur derabbanan to shower in a shower lest you come to bathe your entire body?
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Dec 30 2007, 06:15 PM
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People shower on YT in hot water? This is the first I'm hearing of it...
Although I remember once I was in Atlanta and someone asked the Rov exactly this question and he answered the following "There are 3 kinds of issurim: 1. Issur Mikker Hadin 2. Gezero D'Rabannan 3. Things "We just don't do" and he classified this as #3... -------------------- [/flirting]
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Dec 30 2007, 06:38 PM
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Dec 31 2007, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Dec 30 2007, 06:15 PM)  People shower on YT in hot water? This is the first I'm hearing of it... Although I remember once I was in Atlanta and someone asked the Rov exactly this question and he answered the following "There are 3 kinds of issurim: 1. Issur Mikker Hadin 2. Gezero D'Rabannan 3. Things "We just don't do" and he classified this as #3... That's what I don't get - I would think it's an issur de-rabbanan rather than things we just don't do since even if we were able to shower our entire bodies with hot water on YT on the grounds that today it's a shaveh le-chol nefesh, then there should still be a prohibition to use anything other than water heated on erev YT, rather than tap water likely heated on YT itself. |
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Dec 31 2007, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Dec 31 2007, 02:37 PM) That's what I don't get - I would think it's an issur de-rabbanan rather than things we just don't do since even if we were able to shower our entire bodies with hot water on YT on the grounds that today it's a shaveh le-chol nefesh, then there should still be a prohibition to use anything other than water heated on erev YT, rather than tap water likely heated on YT itself. What about with hot water heated in a dood shemesh? -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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Dec 31 2007, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ Dec 31 2007, 09:06 AM) What about with hot water heated in a dood shemesh? I'm not sure exactly how those work, but I'm not sure how that would be different. After all, what's the big difference between that sort of hot water tank and one heated by gas? At the end of the day, the water you are using right now was heated maybe yesterday, but if it's YT day, it was maybe heated this morning, and you use it for ochel nefesh, and new water comes in that you may or may not use later in the day. |
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Dec 31 2007, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Dec 31 2007, 04:08 PM) I'm not sure exactly how those work, but I'm not sure how that would be different. After all, what's the big difference between that sort of hot water tank and one heated by gas? At the end of the day, the water you are using right now was heated maybe yesterday, but if it's YT day, it was maybe heated this morning, and you use it for ochel nefesh, and new water comes in that you may or may not use later in the day. It is heated directly by the sun. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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Dec 31 2007, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ Dec 31 2007, 09:10 AM) It is heated directly by the sun. OK. Does that make a difference? On YT, are you allowed to use water that you heated by the sun? Is the halachah any different than water you heated over a fire? |
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Dec 31 2007, 09:15 AM
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My rabbi always told me it was acceptable to shower on yom tov.
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Dec 31 2007, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Dec 31 2007, 04:12 PM) OK. Does that make a difference? On YT, are you allowed to use water that you heated by the sun? Is the halachah any different than water you heated over a fire? You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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Dec 31 2007, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ Dec 31 2007, 09:16 AM) You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos. All water is heated by the sun. |
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Dec 31 2007, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (Mike Smith @ Dec 31 2007, 04:19 PM) All water is heated by the sun. I mean directly from the sun. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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Dec 31 2007, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ Dec 31 2007, 09:23 AM) I mean directly from the sun. As oposed to indirectly heated? |
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Dec 31 2007, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ Dec 31 2007, 09:16 AM) You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos. The I have no idea what the implications with respect to showering are. |
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Dec 31 2007, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ Dec 31 2007, 09:16 AM) You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos. Really? Cool. I didnt know that. 9 -------------------- "Eat. Spit. Be Happy." -Davids
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Apr 16 2008, 02:58 AM
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not sure if this is specific to 3day yomtovim, but the Rosh Kollel in my community said that it is permissible to wash your limbs individually if one can be cautious to not transgress squeezing water from hair when drying off.
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