Date Doesn't Want To Make Aliyah, Deal breaker? |
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Date Doesn't Want To Make Aliyah, Deal breaker? |
May 15 2008, 01:26 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,569 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
For me it was and still is.
Even if she's just "willing to make Aliyah" but not "wanting to make Aliyah" it's a turn off, because making Aliyah is not like moving from Monsey to Teaneck. It requires a lot of sacrifices. And if you aren't 100% commited - willing to give it everything you have - you will fail. And frankly I don't want to feel like she's doing me a favor by making Aliyah. Is that so crazy? -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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May 15 2008, 01:27 PM
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May 15 2008, 05:34 PM
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Is it a proper exchange? Is it worth it to give up on someone who could potentially be your bashert in exchange for yishuv EY?
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May 15 2008, 05:59 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 16,980 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Occupied Palestine Member No.: 407 |
I used to think so, but it is not an ABSOLUTE dealbreaker for me anymore....
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May 16 2008, 07:49 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,569 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
Is it a proper exchange? Is it worth it to give up on someone who could potentially be your bashert in exchange for yishuv EY? Well obviously Hashem has made my Bashert feel as strongly for Eretz Yisrael as I do... otherwise why would he make me feel this strongly for Eretz Yisrael? -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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May 16 2008, 07:51 AM
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Well obviously Hashem has made my Bashert feel as strongly for Eretz Yisrael as I do... otherwise why would he make me feel this strongly for Eretz Yisrael? This is bauerskates, and I approve of this comment! -------------------- Javol!
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May 16 2008, 07:51 AM
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Hocker Group: Banned Posts: 104 Joined: 25-April 08 Member No.: 7,225 |
For me it was and still is. Even if she's just "willing to make Aliyah" but not "wanting to make Aliyah" it's a turn off, because making Aliyah is not like moving from Monsey to Teaneck. No, if my memory serves me correctly it would be moving from Teaneck to Monsey. Never mind the Yiddishkeit aspect; IIRC Monsey is north of Teaneck. -------------------- "I does not like white people. And I likes to fight. I does not like white people. Because they is white. W-I-T-E!" (Attributed to Sonny Carson)
"I likes white people after they done died. I really likes white people, boiled, baked or fried!" (-ibid) Barack Obama. Ein schvartz yohr far fir schvartz'e yor'n! |
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May 16 2008, 07:56 AM
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High on Life Group: Moderator Posts: 2,882 Joined: 15-June 03 Member No.: 80 |
For me it was and still is. Even if she's just "willing to make Aliyah" but not "wanting to make Aliyah" it's a turn off, because making Aliyah is not like moving from Monsey to Teaneck. It requires a lot of sacrifices. And if you aren't 100% commited - willing to give it everything you have - you will fail. And frankly I don't want to feel like she's doing me a favor by making Aliyah. Is that so crazy? i think not considering someone who is willing to move to israel a little extreme. i can understand that living in israel is important to you and that it's unreasonable to spend time dating someone who wants to live elsewhere, but if someone is willing to move if they find the right guy then they should at least be given a chance. you don't know how strong her connection is to israel or what her condition is for moving (i.e., will only move if i'm married so that i don't have to live there alone without any family), or her circumstances (i.e., can't afford to move). i think "willing" should be considered. -------------------- i floss only the teeth i want to keep.
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May 16 2008, 08:00 AM
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I think it's sad how some people take the idea of basheret to an extreme. I don't think basheret means that your 2 brains work the same way.
-------------------- My dog doesn't lick his own butt. He doesn't eat poop or step in it. I'll concede that he does smell other dogs' butts and he does lick "himself." I'd prefer it if he doesn't lick me right after that, so I employ a few minutes of buffer time between licking other things and me and I try to get him to drink some water too. - VLG
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May 16 2008, 08:04 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,569 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
I think it's sad how some people take the idea of basheret to an extreme. I don't think basheret means that your 2 brains work the same way. Of course not. But it does mean G-d set the stage for you two to be perfectly* compatible. *perfectly enough for marriage. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
Make Aliyah! Join the club! Add "Make Aliyah" to your sig and get 20% off* on my first book. *Restrictions Apply |
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May 16 2008, 08:05 AM
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I think it's sad how some people take the idea of basheret to an extreme. I don't think basheret means that your 2 brains work the same way. What does it mean? -------------------- |
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May 16 2008, 08:07 AM
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Of course not. But it does mean G-d set the stage for you two to be perfectly* compatible. *perfectly enough for marriage. Marriage is something that needs to be worked on. I think the idea that it is a natural occurance and that G-d has created perfectly compatible souls is a dangerous concept. -------------------- My dog doesn't lick his own butt. He doesn't eat poop or step in it. I'll concede that he does smell other dogs' butts and he does lick "himself." I'd prefer it if he doesn't lick me right after that, so I employ a few minutes of buffer time between licking other things and me and I try to get him to drink some water too. - VLG
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May 16 2008, 08:08 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,569 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
Marriage is something that needs to be worked on. I think the idea that it is a natural occurance and that G-d has created perfectly compatible souls is a dangerous concept. The concept of a soulmate is a dangerous concept? Wow...aren't you the romantic? -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
Make Aliyah! Join the club! Add "Make Aliyah" to your sig and get 20% off* on my first book. *Restrictions Apply |
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May 16 2008, 08:11 AM
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The concept of a soulmate is a dangerous concept? Wow...aren't you the romantic? It has nothing to do about being romantic. I'm just saying that I don't think any marriage is perfect in that it fits right in to place without any concessions/ comprimises. I do believe people are made for each other. But I also think that they have the capability to mess it up if they are either unwilling to comprimise or with other types of destructive behavior -------------------- My dog doesn't lick his own butt. He doesn't eat poop or step in it. I'll concede that he does smell other dogs' butts and he does lick "himself." I'd prefer it if he doesn't lick me right after that, so I employ a few minutes of buffer time between licking other things and me and I try to get him to drink some water too. - VLG
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May 16 2008, 08:13 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,569 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
It has nothing to do about being romantic. I'm just saying that I don't think any marriage is perfect in that it fits right in to place without any concessions/ comprimises. I do believe people are made for each other. But I also think that they have the capability to mess it up if they are either unwilling to comprimise or with other types of destructive behavior Okay. I agree with that. But as long as you grant there is a part of each of them that is who they are and won't change nor should be expected to...some people call that the soul. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
Make Aliyah! Join the club! Add "Make Aliyah" to your sig and get 20% off* on my first book. *Restrictions Apply |
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May 16 2008, 08:14 AM
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Marriage is something that needs to be worked on. I think the idea that it is a natural occurance and that G-d has created perfectly compatible souls is a dangerous concept. Even though I'm not convinced of bashert in any meaningful way, I think for some people (myself included) Israel is just SO important, that they'd be willing to give up someone quite compatible. Look, Israel isn't just about a mitzvah. It's about being rooted, it's about coming home. It's about breathing the air that Jews used to breathe. It's about running your fingers through her sand, caressing every stone. For some, the love of Israel is as passionate as the love of a woman. It defines their mentality. It is the place that when you wake up from a happy dream, it's because you thought you were there. It is the place that makes you feel complete- as if there, troubles, in any meaningful sense, don't exist. It is the place where you could just walk and walk and walk, with nothing to do, and still feel as if you are accomplished. Still feel as if you had done something important with your life, just because you were privileged enough |