Nazir by himself, Can a Nazir bury someone? |
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 May 22 2008, 01:58 AM
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Four men are on a deserted island.
Two are armless. One is a Nazir. The fourth one dies. Is the Nazir allowed to bury him if the two armless men warn him that he's not allowed to become tameh? -------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess
"That's a very good point. I'm impressed." - melech "Honey who said anything about tefillin dates, there was no tefillin involved." - Holy "We are all going in der erd arain. The difference is the route ..." -shaya_getzl "If only life had an "edit" feature." - mosheshmeal "Would you like a logical fallacy with your meal of unsupported assertion?" - yadfothgildloc "Forgive me, I thought there was a debate going on. I didn't realize I stepped into an argument." - Accolade http://www.livejournal.com/users/miketab/ |
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May 22 2008, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE (Miketab @ May 22 2008, 09:58 AM)  Four men are on a deserted island. Two are armless. One is a Nazir. The fourth one dies. Is the Nazir allowed to bury him if the two armless men warn him that he's not allowed to become tameh? He's not only allowed to, he chayiv too! Classic "esseh docheh lo sa’aseh." No? -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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May 22 2008, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ May 22 2008, 03:04 AM) He's not only allowed to, he chayiv too! Classic "esseh docheh lo sa’aseh." Yar... I see I posted too fast; just got to the Mishna that says "Doch, ist ah hutruh miclalan" Case solved. ETA: But not by "Esse docheh lo sa'seh", cause if they had arms, he wouldn't be allowed to. -------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess
"That's a very good point. I'm impressed." - melech "Honey who said anything about tefillin dates, there was no tefillin involved." - Holy "We are all going in der erd arain. The difference is the route ..." -shaya_getzl "If only life had an "edit" feature." - mosheshmeal "Would you like a logical fallacy with your meal of unsupported assertion?" - yadfothgildloc "Forgive me, I thought there was a debate going on. I didn't realize I stepped into an argument." - Accolade http://www.livejournal.com/users/miketab/ |
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May 22 2008, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE (Miketab @ May 22 2008, 09:07 AM) Yar... I see I posted too fast; just got to the Mishna that says "Doch, ist ah hutruh miclalan" Case solved. ETA: But not by "Esse docheh lo sa'seh", cause if they had arms, he wouldn't be allowed to. Right. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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May 30 2008, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE (Miketab @ May 22 2008, 02:58 AM) Four men are on a deserted island. Two are armless. One is a Nazir. The fourth one dies. Is the Nazir allowed to bury him if the two armless men warn him that he's not allowed to become tameh? Why couldnt the armless men bury him with their feet. 9 -------------------- "Eat. Spit. Be Happy." -Davids
"Who is wise? he who can learn from every man. can be applied here, getting 'inspiration' from a one eyed whacko." - soapmaker " He who stands on toilet is high on pot" -Confucius " When life gives you lemons make lemonade..... but if life gives you a handful of cr@p, dont try making anything out of it, trust me on that one. -Dahlai Lama " I love Jews." -Somebody must have said it, somewhere "A good friend will come and bail you out of jail................. but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "d@mn that was fun". Make aliyah, or aliyah will make you. OFF SAVING THE WORLD |
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May 30 2008, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (doodlehead @ May 30 2008, 11:45 AM) It's not proper Kavanah. I just thought of something slightly unrelated: Are armless men disqualified from being edim? -------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess
"That's a very good point. I'm impressed." - melech "Honey who said anything about tefillin dates, there was no tefillin involved." - Holy "We are all going in der erd arain. The difference is the route ..." -shaya_getzl "If only life had an "edit" feature." - mosheshmeal "Would you like a logical fallacy with your meal of unsupported assertion?" - yadfothgildloc "Forgive me, I thought there was a debate going on. I didn't realize I stepped into an argument." - Accolade http://www.livejournal.com/users/miketab/ |
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May 30 2008, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (Pinchas @ May 22 2008, 03:04 AM) He's not only allowed to, he chayiv too! Classic "esseh docheh lo sa’aseh." No? What is this principle? Why doesn't it apply to, let's say, lulav on Shabbos Sukkos? Or shofar on Shabbos RH? -------------------- |
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May 30 2008, 01:24 PM
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Now A Genome Sequencer Group: Members Posts: 13,052 Joined: 23-May 05 From: Tipah Sirucha Member No.: 1,516 |
QUOTE (Miketab @ May 30 2008, 12:42 PM) It's not proper Kavanah. I just thought of something slightly unrelated: Are armless men disqualified from being edim? What do you mean? Whos kavana?Whats not proper about it? Why should they be? 9 -------------------- "Eat. Spit. Be Happy." -Davids
"Who is wise? he who can learn from every man. can be applied here, getting 'inspiration' from a one eyed whacko." - soapmaker " He who stands on toilet is high on pot" -Confucius " When life gives you lemons make lemonade..... but if life gives you a handful of cr@p, dont try making anything out of it, trust me on that one. -Dahlai Lama " I love Jews." -Somebody must have said it, somewhere "A good friend will come and bail you out of jail................. but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "d@mn that was fun". Make aliyah, or aliyah will make you. OFF SAVING THE WORLD |
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May 30 2008, 05:48 PM
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Rebbe Group: Members Posts: 1,920 Joined: 13-January 05 From: The not-so-big Apple Member No.: 1,017 |
QUOTE (int @ May 30 2008, 01:16 PM) What is this principle? Why doesn't it apply to, let's say, lulav on Shabbos Sukkos? Or shofar on Shabbos RH? Because the issur of shaking lulav and blowing shofar isn't the actual shaking or blowing, rather it's the carrying the lulav or shofar (as in "you may forget and carry it to shul"). So even though when you shake or blow you do a mitzva, to get to the mitzvah you have to do an issur. Whereas here the same action is a mitzva and an averah. QUOTE (doodlehead @ May 30 2008, 02:24 PM) What do you mean? Whos kavana?Whats not proper about it? Kavanah to the dead. I wouldn't want my corpse to be handled with people's feet... QUOTE (doodlehead @ May 30 2008, 02:24 PM) Why should they be? I dunno... lefties can't serve in the temple and suchstuff. I don't make the rules... -------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess
"That's a very good point. I'm impressed." - melech "Honey who said anything about tefillin dates, there was no tefillin involved." - Holy "We are all going in der erd arain. The difference is the route ..." -shaya_getzl "If only life had an "edit" feature." - mosheshmeal "Would you like a logical fallacy with your meal of unsupported assertion?" - yadfothgildloc "Forgive me, I thought there was a debate going on. I didn't realize I stepped into an argument." - Accolade http://www.livejournal.com/users/miketab/ |
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May 31 2008, 04:35 PM
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Make Aliyah! Group: Members Posts: 7,569 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
QUOTE (int @ May 30 2008, 07:16 PM) What is this principle? Why doesn't it apply to, let's say, lulav on Shabbos Sukkos? Or shofar on Shabbos RH? Miketab gave the answer. And example where it applies is say like doing a bris on Shabbos. Or in ancient times doing Yibam. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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Jun 2 2008, 11:18 PM
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Now A Genome Sequencer Group: Members Posts: 13,052 Joined: 23-May 05 From: Tipah Sirucha Member No.: 1,516 |
QUOTE (Miketab @ May 30 2008, 06:48 PM) Kavanah to the dead. I wouldn't want my corpse to be handled with people's feet... Kavod? 9 -------------------- "Eat. Spit. Be Happy." -Davids
"Who is wise? he who can learn from every man. can be applied here, getting 'inspiration' from a one eyed whacko." - soapmaker " He who stands on toilet is high on pot" -Confucius " When life gives you lemons make lemonade..... but if life gives you a handful of cr@p, dont try making anything out of it, trust me on that one. -Dahlai Lama " I love Jews." -Somebody must have said it, somewhere "A good friend will come and bail you out of jail................. but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "d@mn that was fun". Make aliyah, or aliyah will make you. OFF SAVING THE WORLD |
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Jun 2 2008, 11:52 PM
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-------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess
"That's a very good point. I'm impressed." - melech "Honey who said anything about tefillin dates, there was no tefillin involved." - Holy "We are all going in der erd arain. The difference is the route ..." -shaya_getzl "If only life had an "edit" feature." - mosheshmeal "Would you like a logical fallacy with your meal of unsupported assertion?" - yadfothgildloc "Forgive me, I thought there was a debate going on. I didn't realize I stepped into an argument." - Accolade http://www.livejournal.com/users/miketab/ |
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