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Monument to Balzac, for knowwon in particular
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post Jul 3 2008, 06:21 PM
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Yes, lets take Rodin for example. Lets discus his Monument to Balzac - Lets discus whats going on under his cloak and why Rodin chose to portray him engaged in that action. Lets discuss how perverted Rodin was.

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Commissioned to honor one of France's greatest novelists, Rodin spent seven years preparing for Monument to Balzac, studying the writer's life and work, posing models who resembled him, and ordering clothes to his measurements. Ultimately, though, Rodin's aim was less Honoré de Balzac's physical likeness than an idea or spirit of the man, and a sense of his creative vitality: "I think of his intense labor, of the difficulty of his life, of his incessant battles and of his great courage. I would express all that." ]Several studies for the work are nudes, but Rodin finally clothed the figure in a robe inspired by the dressing gown that Balzac often wore when writing. (He liked to work at night.) The effect is to make the figure a monolith, a single, phallic, upward-thrusting form crowned by the craggy ridges and cavities that define the head and face. Monument to Balzac is a visual metaphor for the author's energy and genius, [continued first paragraph below]


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Rodin received a commission for a monument to Balzac in 1891 from the Société des Gens de Lettres. After seven years' preparation by reading the author's works, by studying his biography (attempting to understand the personality and psychology of this literary genius), and by executing about 50 studies, Rodin exhibited a model of the work in the Salon of 1898.[continued second paragraph below]


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yet when the plaster original was exhibited in Paris in 1898, it was widely attacked. Critics likened it to a sack of coal, a snowman, a seal, and the literary society that had commissioned the work dismissed it as a "crude sketch."[/b] Rodin retired the plaster model to his home in the Paris suburbs. It was not cast in bronze until years after his death.


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[...] Not only did the Société reject the work, but it received extraordinary controversy in the press. Criticism centered on the fact that Rodin's treatment of a famous person did not follow the formula for aggrandizing the subject and on the lack of a finished surface, so important in academic sculptural style


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Close friends of yours? Descendants?

Rodin forced people to look on the inside of a person rather than the outward grandeur so associated with dress and stature. I guess that could be considered perverted for a superficial person. Eventually people accepted it for what it truly was intended to be. One step is all it ever takes. Unfortunately, the one performing it normally suffers personally for the change. If that's idealism I'll rest comfortably under it's thumb vs. your tongue.

Yes, you're right. Art can be everything you described it to be; however, not because of an artist's proclamation but an audience's concession. Sh*it on canvas is art according to the artist; however, without one ever person agreeing or one museum displaying it's not ever anything more than sh*it on a canvas, much less Art.


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post Jul 3 2008, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Jul 3 2008, 07:21 PM) *
Balzac

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post Jul 3 2008, 07:36 PM
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omg.

Psychodad posted in Creative Expression.

I'm sorry, where are my manners?

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post Jul 3 2008, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Jul 3 2008, 07:21 PM) *
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and on the flip side of capturing an essence contrary to standards of beauty;





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Close friends of yours? Descendants?

Rodin forced people to look on the inside of a person rather than the outward grandeur so associated with dress and stature. I guess that could be considered perverted for a superficial person. Eventually people accepted it for what it truly was intended to be. One step is all it ever takes. Unfortunately, the one performing it normally suffers personally for the change. If that's idealism I'll rest comfortably under it's thumb vs. your tongue.



perverts, the lot of them, I tell you.


I like what you wrote. But I wonder what Knowwon had in mind. What does Knowwon think is under that cloak?

Therapist shows a patient an inkblot and asks him to say what he sees in it.
"Two men having wild sex inside a black tent," the patient says. "And you are a sick sick sick pervert for showing me pictures like this."


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QUOTE (Moshi @ Jul 3 2008, 10:57 PM) *
perverts, the lot of them, I tell you.


I like what you wrote. But I wonder what Knowwon had in mind. What does Knowwon think is under that cloak?

Therapist shows a patient an inkblot and asks him to say what he sees in it.
"Two men having wild sex inside a black tent," the patient says. "And you are a sick sick sick pervert for showing me pictures like this."


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me thinks s/he might've been just a bit facetious (intentionally) to emphasize, in her/his opinion, my excessive/unwarranted/ridiculous idealism?

i probably didn't word that right; this time of night; beer and all

after the second edit it seems i still can't say this right


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Rodin was a Major perv.

Well, you know what they say- 'takes one to knowwon'...

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post Jul 4 2008, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Jul 3 2008, 07:21 PM) *
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and on the flip side of capturing an essence contrary to standards of beauty;





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Close friends of yours? Descendants?

Rodin forced people to look on the inside of a person rather than the outward grandeur so associated with dress and stature. I guess that could be considered perverted for a superficial person. Eventually people accepted it for what it truly was intended to be. One step is all it ever takes. Unfortunately, the one performing it normally suffers personally for the change. If that's idealism I'll rest comfortably under it's thumb vs. your tongue.

Yes, you're right. Art can be everything you described it to be; however, not because of an artist's proclamation but an audience's concession. Sh*it on canvas is art according to the artist; however, without one ever person agreeing or one museum displaying it's not ever anything more than sh*it on a canvas, much less Art.


Why cant I PM you?


So art is defined by the institution of a museum? Anything outside of the gallery is not art? How many people need to consent for something to be considered art, is there a finite number? Can it be anybody, or only certain people can declare other peoples work art?


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QUOTE (Knowwon @ Jul 4 2008, 09:53 AM) *
Why cant I PM you?


knowwon can because i'm emotionally brittle and become too involved with people and that drains me and makes me too sad. i must admit to having the best time with your name.


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So art is defined by the institution of a museum? Anything outside of the gallery is not art? How many people need to consent for something to be considered art, is there a finite number? Can it be anybody, or only certain people can declare other peoples work art?


no. no. one; no. yes;no.

do you have art? can i see?


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post Jul 4 2008, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Jul 4 2008, 10:05 AM) *
knowwon can because i'm emotionally brittle and become too involved with people and that drains me and makes me too sad. i must admit to having the best time with your name.




no. no. one; no. yes;no.

do you have art? can i see?


Yes I have art. I can show it do you at a later time, when I get a chance.

If you enable your PM I will tell you the uncensored version what he is doing in there and why he is doing it.


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QUOTE (Knowwon @ Jul 4 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Yes I have art. I can show it do you at a later time, when I get a chance.

If you enable your PM I will tell you the uncensored version what he is doing in there and why he is doing it.


when you get a chance? do you not have a site/photo bucket/image shack/something? i'd like to see an example of your style and influences. the latter being the most important.

i would say let's push the envelope here. J did say we could discuss what may be a controversial piece of art without the image. but...you're on.


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post Jul 4 2008, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Jul 3 2008, 07:21 PM) *
Yes, you're right. Art can be everything you described it to be; however, not because of an artist's proclamation but an audience's concession. Sh*it on canvas is art according to the artist; however, without one ever person agreeing or one museum displaying it's not ever anything more than sh*it on a canvas, much less Art.


FYI a well know contemporary "artist" has already done this. Another one of his pieces consists entirely of his pubic hairs


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QUOTE (Knowwon @ Jul 4 2008, 10:43 AM) *
FYI a well know contemporary "artist" has already done this. Another one of his pieces consists entirely of his pubic hairs


why do you think i used it as an example? if a child crayons all over the parlor wall, or paints the furniture, is he praised for art or disciplined for rebellious childishness? it all depends on parental reaction.


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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Jul 4 2008, 10:21 AM) *
when you get a chance? do you not have a site/photo bucket/image shack/something? i'd like to see an example of your style and influences. the latter being the most important.

i would say let's push the envelope here. J did say we could discuss what may be a controversial piece of art without the image. but...you're on.



wth are you doing? writing a novel? preparing a dissertation? i already know what you're going to say, btw. it would've just been fun to see how you were going to say it and disagree under the guise of intellectual conversation.


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I suspect knowwon understood what you meant.

As for me, your eloquence leaves me as always groping for words. I will simply smile at you and be glad to know you.


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