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The Cancer Pandemic
Belle
post Jul 24 2008, 11:16 AM
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I feel like once a week I find out that another person I know has cancer. It freaks me out completely.

Does it scare you? Do you know alot of people with cancer? Do you feel that it's only a matter of time before you/your loved ones have it?

Do you think eventually they will have a vaccine, like they had for polio, TB, and all other pandemics that mostly faded away? Can you picture yourself waiting at your docs office for your 'cancer vaccine?'

If they had cancer vaccines available, would you go for it?

It's alot of questions, just discuss whatever part you'd like.


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post Jul 24 2008, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Belle @ Jul 24 2008, 12:16 PM) *
Does it scare you?

Yes.

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Do you think eventually they will have a vaccine, like they had for polio, TB, and all other pandemics that mostly faded away?

No, no way. Maybe for individual cancers, but not for Cancer. The only reason there's any vaccine at all is because that one is spread virally.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:18 AM
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:22 AM
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"cancer" is really broad and encompasses a great range of pathologies. no way there can be one single eureka cure.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:23 AM
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I call my block "The Cancer Block" because so many people that live here have had cancer. Yes, it scares me.


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post Jul 24 2008, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Jul 24 2008, 12:22 PM) *
"cancer" is really broad and encompasses a great range of pathologies. no way there can be one single eureka cure.


There can be individual vaccines/cures. Breast, prostate, lung, leukemia, etc.


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post Jul 24 2008, 11:28 AM
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this is something i saw with here. back in russia people definitely had cancer, but it really seems to me that so many more people have it here. anyone else feels like it?

maybe it's because it's spoken about a lot, i don't know.

yes, this is definitely something i'm afraid of.

QUOTE (Belle @ Jul 24 2008, 12:25 PM) *
There can be individual vaccines/cures. Breast, prostate, lung, leukemia, etc.


but how many can you take already?
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Jul 24 2008, 12:22 PM) *
"cancer" is really broad and encompasses a great range of pathologies. no way there can be one single eureka cure.

That really makes no sense. Wikipedia says the same thing, but all cancers are really the same -- uncontrolled cell growth.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (Belle @ Jul 24 2008, 12:25 PM) *
There can be individual vaccines/cures. Breast, prostate, lung, leukemia, etc.

that's fine, but that wasn't the question. it's not going to make the "pandemic" go away. there isn't going to be a cure. there may be vaccines for those very few cancers that are infectious. and there will continue to be incremental improvements in treatment modalities. and certainly quality of life and survival gains. but a "cure for cancer"? no way.

anyway, name the diseases that have been "cured" or eradicated. and then see what's similar about them. and how they differ from cancer.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Jul 24 2008, 12:22 PM) *
"cancer" is really broad and encompasses a great range of pathologies. no way there can be one single eureka cure.


nanotechnology. DNA level manipulation, on an individual cell basis.


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post Jul 24 2008, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Jul 24 2008, 12:29 PM) *
That really makes no sense. Wikipedia says the same thing, but all cancers are really the same -- uncontrolled cell growth.

of course it's uncontrolled cell growth. but big deal. all autoimmune disease is a cascade of cellular chemicals. but it doesn't make lupus the same as diabetes.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Moshi @ Jul 24 2008, 12:18 PM) *
[There's a (controversial) cervical cancer vaccine out there]

Despite it's name, if I'm not mistaken the cervical cancer vaccine is actually an HPV vaccine, not a cervical cancer vaccine. It only prevents cervical cancer indirectly by preventing a woman from acquiring HPV in the first place.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE (int @ Jul 24 2008, 12:31 PM) *
nanotechnology. DNA level manipulation, on an individual cell basis.

good luck with that. let me know when you are successful.
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:33 AM
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (BroadwayFreak @ Jul 24 2008, 12:23 PM) *
I call my block "The Cancer Block" because so many people that live here have had cancer. Yes, it scares me.

cancer tends to cluster
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Belle
post Jul 24 2008, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (melech @ Jul 24 2008, 12:34 PM) *
cancer tends to cluster


Or it could be the location. Any power/chemical plants nearby?


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post Jul 24 2008, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (Belle @ Jul 24 2008, 12:33 PM) *

when this guy, or anybody else comes up with a cure, we'll talk.
nobody has done it. sure, there are often promising leads, but it hasn't happened. people love stories like this for a variety of reasons: an easy cure for something incurable, the david vs. goliath of the lay person with the cure against the medico-pharmocilogic industrial complex...people want hope so they sieze on these stories.
the only thing worse than these stories, in my opinion, is people who clip every magazine article about some genetic research breakthrough and send it to their relative with some disease with a note saying, "don't worry, a cure is around the corner".
these things always look promising.
rule of thumb: if it's too good to be true, it likely isn't.

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Or it could be the location.

that's one of the reasons they tend to cluster. but it's very complicated.
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Belle
post Jul 24 2008, 11:41 AM
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