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post Jul 25 2008, 11:37 AM
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There is no movie discussion sub-forum here. So I figured we can post individual threads on specific movies and discuss them.

Everyone is raving about the dark knight movie, and it is collecting huge sums of cash at the box office. Yet, when I saw it, I didn't find it special at all. Just 2 and a half hours of mediocre comic book weak fantasy, with neurotic attempts by the now deceased Heath Ledger to portray a crazed joker, a mediocre (if not worse) and non-memorable acting from Christian Bale as Batman, and a plot that seemed intentionally made more complex (in any way possible for a simple no-brainer comic book story) in an attempt to give the movie at least some plot for the pop corn chewing masses to swallow. Batman's and Harvey Dent's shared love, a pretty central character in the movie, has been terribly miscast - Maggie Gyllenhaal does not look like someone who would arouse passions in either man - it is too incredulous and requires too much suspension of disbelief that leaves a bitter taste in the viewer's mind.


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post Jul 25 2008, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE (int @ Jul 25 2008, 04:37 AM) *
There is no movie discussion sub-forum here. So I figured we can post individual threads on specific movies and discuss them.

Everyone is raving about the dark knight movie, and it is collecting huge sums of cash at the box office. Yet, when I saw it, I didn't find it special at all. Just 2 and a half hours of mediocre comic book weak fantasy, with neurotic attempts by the now deceased Heath Ledger to portray a crazed joker, a mediocre (if not worse) and non-memorable acting from Christian Bale as Batman, and a plot that seemed intentionally made more complex (in any way possible for a simple no-brainer comic book story) in an attempt to give the movie at least some plot for the pop corn chewing masses to swallow. Batman's and Harvey Dent's shared love, a pretty central character in the movie, has been terribly miscast - Maggie Gyllenhaal does not look like someone who would arouse passions in either man - it is too incredulous and requires too much suspension of disbelief that leaves a bitter taste in the viewer's mind.

I'll read your post AFTER I watch the movie. I already know that I like the Batman idea, so I'd rather watch the movie before knowing anything about it, the less I do the better.


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post Aug 4 2008, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE (int @ Jul 25 2008, 12:37 PM) *
There is no movie discussion sub-forum here. So I figured we can post individual threads on specific movies and discuss them.

Everyone is raving about the dark knight movie, and it is collecting huge sums of cash at the box office. Yet, when I saw it, I didn't find it special at all. Just 2 and a half hours of mediocre comic book weak fantasy, with neurotic attempts by the now deceased Heath Ledger to portray a crazed joker, a mediocre (if not worse) and non-memorable acting from Christian Bale as Batman, and a plot that seemed intentionally made more complex (in any way possible for a simple no-brainer comic book story) in an attempt to give the movie at least some plot for the pop corn chewing masses to swallow. Batman's and Harvey Dent's shared love, a pretty central character in the movie, has been terribly miscast - Maggie Gyllenhaal does not look like someone who would arouse passions in either man - it is too incredulous and requires too much suspension of disbelief that leaves a bitter taste in the viewer's mind.



you have got to be kidding?! right? Heath Ledger's portrayal made Jack Nicholson's look like a pre-school performance. he was brilliant. i do agree, somewhat, about Christian Bale, however. overall i enjoyed the movie.


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post Aug 4 2008, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Aug 4 2008, 03:17 PM) *
you have got to be kidding?! right? Heath Ledger's portrayal made Jack Nicholson's look like a pre-school performance. he was brilliant. i do agree, somewhat, about Christian Bale, however. overall i enjoyed the movie.

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bale was almost horrible as batman-what was with that voice- but who needs batman when the plot is that good, and the joker carries the movie?


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post Aug 4 2008, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 AM) *
bale was almost horrible as batman

That's what I thought after seeing Batman Begins (haven't seen DK). Which is a shame because I think Bale is so talented.
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post Aug 4 2008, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 4 2008, 04:03 PM) *
That's what I thought after seeing Batman Begins (haven't seen DK). Which is a shame because I think Bale is so talented.

he's fine enough as Bruce Wayne. But, in a sense, he isn't the main character in this film. And that's why it's gone from ok to great.


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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:05 AM) *
he's fine enough as Bruce Wayne. But, in a sense, he isn't the main character in this film. And that's why it's gone from ok to great.

But what's the point, then? It's supposed to be a Batman movie with the Joker in it, not a Joker movie with Batman in it.

(Actually, I didn't like Bale as Wayne either. I thought his whole performance in BB was awful and wooden.)
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post Aug 4 2008, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 4 2008, 04:06 PM) *
But what's the point, then? It's supposed to be a Batman movie with the Joker in it, not a Joker movie with Batman in it.

(Actually, I didn't like Bale as Wayne either. I thought his whole performance in BB was awful and wooden.)

because the joker carries the movie. and the plot is pretty good as well.


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post Aug 4 2008, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 AM) *
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bale was almost horrible as batman-what was with that voice- but who needs batman when the plot is that good, and the joker carries the movie?


voice box? it definitely grated my nerves a bit but not enough to make me regret seeing it.

Ledger definitely carries the movie. Eckhart gave a good performance as well.


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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Aug 4 2008, 04:11 PM) *
voice box? it definitely grated my nerves a bit but not enough to make me regret seeing it.

Ledger definitely carries the movie. Eckhart gave a good performance as well.

eckhart always does. What I meant about the voice is 'why like that' more than 'how'd they do it'


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post Aug 4 2008, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:17 AM) *
eckhart always does. What I meant about the voice is 'why like that' more than 'how'd they do it'


i know. i was being facetious. smile.gif


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post Aug 4 2008, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:01 AM) *
bale was almost horrible as batman-what was with that voice- but who needs batman when the plot is that good, and the joker carries the movie?


The plot is good? It's a comic book plot - designed to be appreciated by 11 year olds maybe.

Honestly, the phenomenon of all these movies like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc. where grown adult audiences go to see some brainless comic book fantasy, has long puzzled me. I suppose it speaks of the low average intelligence level of the population.


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post Aug 4 2008, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE (int @ Aug 4 2008, 11:57 AM) *
The plot is good? It's a comic book plot - designed to be appreciated by 11 year olds maybe.

Honestly, the phenomenon of all these movies like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc. where grown adult audiences go to see some brainless comic book fantasy, has long puzzled me. I suppose it speaks of the low average intelligence level of the population.

You sure about that? I think the average age of the audience for these movies is somewhere in the middle teens.
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post Aug 4 2008, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (int @ Aug 4 2008, 11:57 AM) *
The plot is good? It's a comic book plot - designed to be appreciated by 11 year olds maybe.

Honestly, the phenomenon of all these movies like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc. where grown adult audiences go to see some brainless comic book fantasy, has long puzzled me. I suppose it speaks of the low average intelligence level of the population.


i feel the same way about Harry Potter and LOR. i'll see one periodically, normally as a favor to a friend; however, don't think they're all that bad. different strokes and all...


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post Aug 4 2008, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (Ahavati @ Aug 4 2008, 12:10 PM) *
i feel the same way about Harry Potter and LOR.

I think you mean LOTR.

HP is definitely for kids. LOTR, hmm, not so much. The books aren't kiddie books like HP.
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post Aug 4 2008, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 4 2008, 12:01 PM) *
You sure about that? I think the average age of the audience for these movies is somewhere in the middle teens.


Nah, when I was in the theater, I'd say the average age was like 25.

[And I only went because we were bored and nothing else was playing].


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