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Your date/SDJ/GF/Kallah/Wife wants to Kiss Another Girl, Experimentation and Relationships
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post Aug 1 2008, 12:32 PM
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Someone asked me this hypothetical question and I thought it was absolutely fascinating from a psychological standpoint so i pose it to the H.com audience....

So say your girlfriend/SDJ (obviously one you already have a fairly serious relationship with), or even kallah/wife asks you if you would mind if they kissed another girl. So after you blink.gif and make an off color remark about lesbians, you ask "Watcha talkin bout willis?!?!" and

It turns out that she has a friend who is interested in the "experience" and asked her to "try it" out with her. Now YOUR chick claims that she has no real interest in this AT ALL in this and would only be doing it for the sake of her friend (whether or not that is true is a separate discussion). But she'll only do it if YOU don't object (and NO you perverts, they WON'T let you watch rolleyes.gif ).

So as a guy (and lav davka from a "frum" standpoint):
1. Do you feel threatened? Is a lesbian kiss "just a kiss" and this is harmless experimentation to "satisfy curiosity" or are you worried that it might open a Pandora's Box and get out of hand? What if the "kiss" led to "other stuff" that is significantly "more personal and intimate"??
2. Would YOU feel jealous, and would you feel it would "take away" from or get in the way with YOUR relationship with this chick??
3. If you're NOT "jealous", would you worry that it might become something more for HER and that she might get emotionally involved and end up harming her relationship with YOU??
4. Is this "cheating"? (not from a halachic standpoint, from a PSYCHOLOGICAL one)
5. Do you let her do it? How do you answer??? (like does she really WANT your reshus, or is she trying to get you to stop her?)

Please try to handle this seriously and maturely, and keep the "lesbians r h0tt" and " d00d U should have a 3some" comments to yourselves.......


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post Aug 1 2008, 12:35 PM
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Are you serious? A kiss is cheating, whether to another male or female.

I have to admit I thought of this song right away. Warning: not apropriate for the 3 weeks, or probably ever really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs
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post Aug 1 2008, 12:35 PM
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No way, not if I can't watch.


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post Aug 1 2008, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (Moshi @ Aug 1 2008, 01:35 PM) *
No way, not if I can't watch.


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post Aug 1 2008, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (smishu @ Aug 1 2008, 01:35 PM) *
Are you serious? A kiss is cheating, whether to another male or female.

I have to admit I thought of this song right away. Warning: not apropriate for the 3 weeks, or probably ever really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs

from a comment there:

I've kissed a lot of girls and damnit its awesome.
Course im a dude but yeah still I see whats she sayin.
Party on with your borderline lesbian song!
I like it too.


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post Aug 1 2008, 12:42 PM
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I'd ask her if she felt ok with it and if she did, why not?

I mean, I could never hope to compare so what point is there in being jealous?

I really don't see why I should care.

if you were to turn the question on me though I'd never ever ask for such a thing. the answer would be "i'm sorry, I can't, its not right".

but if she says that she's just satisfying her friends curiosity why should I doubt her?


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post Aug 1 2008, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (Moshi @ Aug 1 2008, 01:35 PM) *
No way, not if I can't watch.

I think that's what lots of guys would say.laugh.gif
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post Aug 1 2008, 12:45 PM
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It would depend on:

1) Is the other girl attractive?
2) If I say yes, what is the probability of me coming into the picture (whether to watch, or beyond) in the future?
3) Could I get a hidden camera in somewhere?

So there's no simple answer. Buy yes, there is potential to feel threatened and/or see it as cheating. There is also potentional to see it as the greatest opportunity of your life.


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post Aug 1 2008, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (smishu @ Aug 1 2008, 01:35 PM) *
Are you serious? A kiss is cheating, whether to another male or female.

COMPLETELY serious, and yes that would be my first inclination, but after thinking about it, from a guy's perspective (or at least MINE) it isn't poshut at all and I really don't know.....


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post Aug 1 2008, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 1 2008, 05:32 AM) *
Someone asked me this hypothetical question and I thought it was absolutely fascinating from a psychological standpoint so i pose it to the H.com audience....

So say your girlfriend/SDJ (obviously one you already have a fairly serious relationship with), or even kallah/wife asks you if you would mind if they kissed another girl. So after you blink.gif and make an off color remark about lesbians, you ask "Watcha talkin bout willis?!?!" and

It turns out that she has a friend who is interested in the "experience" and asked her to "try it" out with her. Now YOUR chick claims that she has no real interest in this AT ALL in this and would only be doing it for the sake of her friend (whether or not that is true is a separate discussion). But she'll only do it if YOU don't object (and NO you perverts, they WON'T let you watch rolleyes.gif ).

So as a guy (and lav davka from a "frum" standpoint):
1. Do you feel threatened? Is a lesbian kiss "just a kiss" and this is harmless experimentation to "satisfy curiosity" or are you worried that it might open a Pandora's Box and get out of hand? What if the "kiss" led to "other stuff" that is significantly "more personal and intimate"??
2. Would YOU feel jealous, and would you feel it would "take away" from or get in the way with YOUR relationship with this chick??
3. If you're NOT "jealous", would you worry that it might become something more for HER and that she might get emotionally involved and end up harming her relationship with YOU??
4. Is this "cheating"? (not from a halachic standpoint, from a PSYCHOLOGICAL one)
5. Do you let her do it? How do you answer??? (like does she really WANT your reshus, or is she trying to get you to stop her?)

Please try to handle this seriously and maturely, and keep the "lesbians r h0tt" and " d00d U should have a 3some" comments to yourselves.......


What if this woman were to ask you if it's okay if she kissed a guy that was curious to see what it was like to kiss her (say he's never kissed anyone) and she had no feelings towards him.
How would you react?


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post Aug 1 2008, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 1 2008, 02:01 PM) *
What if this woman were to ask you if it's okay if she kissed a guy that was curious to see what it was like to kiss her (say he's never kissed anyone) and she had no feelings towards him.
How would you react?

Not even a QUESTION, absolutely NOT!!!! And I'd probably be upset that she even entertained the possibility....

That's what fascinates me. Why suddenly when it is a GIRL it isn't so clear????


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post Aug 1 2008, 01:06 PM
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I can't see myself agreeing to kiss another woman for the experience or anything else. I am far too strongly hetero.

I like RebPropogandist's theory better, but from the other side. What would you do if your wife/gf asked you if she could kiss another man bc she got married to you at 18 and has never experienced another man's kiss?


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post Aug 1 2008, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 1 2008, 06:04 AM) *
Not even a QUESTION, absolutely NOT!!!! And I'd probably be upset that she even entertained the possibility....

That's what fascinates me. Why suddenly when it is a GIRL it isn't so clear????

Thats EXACTLY what I was trying to point out.


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post Aug 1 2008, 01:29 PM
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Dude, and you were claiming that's something's happening to this board.


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post Aug 1 2008, 01:44 PM
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Halacha aside, I wouldn't have a problem with either scenario. ninja.gif


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