A year ago my landlady's son stopped by her house (Meah She'arim) Friday night and he had on the most tasteful chalat I've ever seen. I knew a close family member would appreciate something like this, so a few months ago I asked her what it was called [in specific]. She insisted it was an es chalat. Thing is..it sure didn't look like your typical one! It was a black gabardine that held its line and was exquisitely tailored (thing is, I don't think it was custom-made..they're not 'that type of people'). It definitely wasn't a thin 'satiny' fabric with designs at all like most tisch chalats are. More like a cloth with some weight and a bit of dull sheen (I'd assume wool+silk?). It looked to be about right-above-knee length (almost a walking coat?) and had a self-fabric shawl collar, though it was almost mandarin looking in the way it was a bit rigid (i.e. not your average small-banded mandarin collar), no buttons that I recall and maybe some slight black-on-black embroidery on one side where a line of buttons would normally be. Obviously I couldn't stare to take in more details (after all, it was Meah She'arim!- and yeah, for all who are going to ask the question.. Don't. I have no idea what he looked like, I really had no interest).

Does anyone have a clue as to 1) what this might be called 2) where to go about finding it? (I can probably sketch s/t later). TIA.

The only ones that don't have buttons are the yerishulayimer kaftans. (Or rozhevulkes for some people, but you're not talking about rozhevulkes. Or strokkes, but you're not talking about strokkes.)

I got no idea what a mandarin collar is. Is it chinese? And what on earth is self fabric?

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Any place I could see illustrations as to what you're referring to?


Google is your friend.

Tried googling the 'frum' stores in Bklyn that I assume might have a website..found nothing.

Probably the Toldos Ahron garb. One of them. You will not find it in a brooklyn store.

Strokkes is a rebbishe bekitshe.

If you described it in plain english instead of girl-speak I might be able to help you.

Strokkes:





Rozhevulkes (What they are wearing over their bekitches):



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Black on shabbes?

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Was it something like this?

btw, there's a brown coat that I've seen some Yerushalmi chasidim wear over their bekishes (similar to rozhevulkes, but brown and perhaps they were made of matte fabric) what are those called?



Ooh now I learned what a gakkuran (boys japanese high school uniform, below) is called in English: a "black mandarin collar suit."

Some do.

And I know what you're referring to Krum. My fil wears it Friday night. And no, he's not TA.

That's the goldene kaften. Yes.


It's called a דזובע


O rly?


The דזובע is the Yerishulayimer Rozhevulkeh.

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Thanks MS.

Chassidishe levush rocks. No doubt about it.

To clarify: Knee-length, no design/embroidery on it save for something small (where a lapel would be), and not SHINY fabric (like your 3rd picture). Matte, with dull sheen.



(Strokkes look like what the chief sefardi chachamim wear. Nice, but not what I was describing.)

this looks close to what arabs wear (a bisht)
A search for דזובע turned up nothing

I don't think what bigtoe is describing is a דזובע- they're always brown.

What she describes does sound similar to a 'Yeroosholayimer Chalat'l'* or 'Kaften'*, but I can't think of any sub-group who wears black ones on 'Shabbes'*, only 'in der wochin'*.

*(MSTS)