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post Aug 6 2008, 01:41 PM
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I'm starting to hear some raid about how Obama needs to pick Wesley Clark for VP. What do you think of this?


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post Aug 6 2008, 01:43 PM
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Stupid mistake. I think Clark is putting that out there.
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post Aug 6 2008, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (Peanuts @ Aug 6 2008, 06:43 AM) *
Stupid mistake. I think Clark is putting that out there.

Why?


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post Aug 6 2008, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 6 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Why?

On the face of it it seems smart, as he is a clean cut, very smart, and will boost the Obama campaigns foreign policy issues. However, Clark has zero personality, and in fact comes off very badly in the public eye. I also think Obama had to distance himself from clark when he said something like -it takes more then being a fighter pilot to run for president-.
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post Aug 6 2008, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 6 2008, 12:41 PM) *
I'm starting to hear some raid about how Obama needs to pick Wesley Clark for VP. What do you think of this?
Are you kidding? I don't think anything having anything to do with the military is an asset in this election. Blah. The two most probable VPs are: Tim Kaine and Evan Bayh.
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post Aug 6 2008, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 6 2008, 06:49 PM) *
Are you kidding? I don't think anything having anything to do with the military is an asset in this election. Blah. The two most probable VPs are: Tim Kaine and Evan Bayh.

Why not? Where people think Obama is weakest is a) socialism b) foreign policy c) military. Don't confuse how you see the world with how others do.


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post Aug 6 2008, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 6 2008, 01:49 PM) *
Are you kidding? I don't think anything having anything to do with the military is an asset in this election. Blah. The two most probable VPs are: Tim Kaine and Evan Bayh.


if your comment is supposed to read "i don't think anyone having anything to do with the military is an asset in the election." I think you're dead wrong. yes the commander in chief of the armed forces by constitutional law has to be a civilian, however I wouldn't downgrade any current civilians with military service records from being excellent running mates or positive influences on the presidency/US policy decisions.

Judging by your intended message I'd take it you are another Ron Paul tinfoil hat conspiracy fool who view Isolationist foreign policy in this day and age as a practical way to remain global hegemon which IS in our interest economically, militarily, and diplomatically.

If I'm wrong and misjudged I'm sorry, I believe I have seen you espouse some radical leftist moveon.org type rhetoric in other political threads.
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post Aug 6 2008, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (WaldoinGalus @ Aug 6 2008, 07:04 PM) *
if your comment is supposed to read "i don't think anyone having anything to do with the military is an asset in the election." I think you're dead wrong. yes the commander in chief of the armed forces by constitutional law has to be a civilian, however I wouldn't downgrade any current civilians with military service records from being excellent running mates or positive influences on the presidency/US policy decisions.

Judging by your intended message I'd take it you are another Ron Paul tinfoil hat conspiracy fool who view Isolationist foreign policy in this day and age as a practical way to remain global hegemon which IS in our interest economically, militarily, and diplomatically.

If I'm wrong and misjudged I'm sorry, I believe I have seen you espouse some radical leftist moveon.org type rhetoric in other political threads.

why is Ron Paul a radical leftist?


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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 6 2008, 03:06 PM) *
why is Ron Paul a radical leftist?

why is icecream hot?


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post Aug 6 2008, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (Psychodad @ Aug 6 2008, 07:10 PM) *
why is icecream hot?

why is that not my point?


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post Aug 6 2008, 02:40 PM
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i was proposing two positions. By Krum stating she feels nobody with any past or present military affiliation should be attached to the government it smacks of deconstructing our country's Military-Industrial spending. The thought action manifested by this feeling that military should be downplayed in terms of attention in the Executive branch typically correlates to isolationist policies purported by TX Senator Ron Paul "withdraw our military and disable all US bases we pay to maintain in South Korea, Germany, Japan, Guam, Turkey... to solely focus on domestic defense and halting immigration at our borders."

I was recalling that I'd seen Krum post some leftist virulent anti-war/troops out regardless of situation rhetoric that is spewed from the most powerful Obama campaign financier, the radical leftist Moveon.org group.
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post Aug 6 2008, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (WaldoinGalus @ Aug 6 2008, 07:40 PM) *
i was proposing two positions. By Krum stating she feels nobody with any past or present military affiliation should be attached to the government it smacks of deconstructing our country's Military-Industrial spending. The thought action manifested by this feeling that military should be downplayed in terms of attention in the Executive branch typically correlates to isolationist policies purported by TX Senator Ron Paul "withdraw our military and disable all US bases we pay to maintain in South Korea, Germany, Japan, Guam, Turkey... to solely focus on domestic defense and halting immigration at our borders."

I was recalling that I'd seen Krum post some leftist virulent anti-war/troops out regardless of situation rhetoric that is spewed from the most powerful Obama campaign financier, the radical leftist Moveon.org group.

ok. i thought you might have been doing that, but assumed for lack of an 'or' that you weren't.
Krum is reasonably left-wing.


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post Aug 7 2008, 06:29 PM
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Why not Clark?

1. Never won an election. He lacks charisma.

2. Accused New York Jews with money of being behind pushing war in Iran.

3. Said progress in Iraq NOT due to US surge, but mostly intervention by Saudi Arabia and IRAN.


I suppose Clark would help with any anti semetic Obama supporters, but he will certainly not help him with the Jewish vote which will be critical come November in winning states such as New York.
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post Aug 7 2008, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (ESJ @ Aug 7 2008, 07:29 PM) *
I suppose Clark would help with any anti semetic Obama supporters, but he will certainly not help him with the Jewish vote which will be critical come November in winning states such as New York.

NY is not a swing state.


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post Aug 7 2008, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (politico @ Aug 7 2008, 08:45 PM) *
NY is not a swing state.

Sadly, no. Which means that despite the rhetoric, my vote won't count. sad.gif
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post Aug 7 2008, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE (bauerskates613 @ Aug 6 2008, 02:06 PM) *
why is Ron Paul a radical leftist?
There are absolutely no radical leftists in US politics, and certainly not in the Democratic party. I sometimes wonder if there are any leftists in any of the major parties. (Obama is a centrist, and Hillary is center right with some populist leanings)

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roflmao. Moveon.org is mildly progressive with the emphasis on mild.
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QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 8 2008, 12:51 AM) *
There are absolutely no radical leftists in US politics, and certainly not in the Democratic party. I sometimes wonder if there are any leftists in any of the major parties. (Obama is a centrist, and Hillary is center right with some populist leanings)

roflmao. Moveon.org is mildly progressive with the emphasis on mild.

Didn't you say no one is to the left of you?


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