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Palestinian refugees |
Aug 6 2008, 02:50 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 3,276 Joined: 19-March 06 Member No.: 2,506 |
Is there any possible solution to the Palestinian refugee problem that does NOT involve resettling millions of Palestinians within Israel? What is your opinion on the validity of their claims? Why are they being forced to stay in camps m'dor l'dor instead of being allowed to build lives elsewhere (elsewhere excluding Israel)?
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Aug 6 2008, 02:53 PM
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No other country wants them. Forced is too strong of a word. They can't take initiative on their own and [even as they freely admit this among themselves] are too lazy to build and uphold a nice, democratic place to live. If they can hop the fence and have babies/get shrapnel from their own bombs removed in Israeli hospitals, why build their own??
-------------------- "Life is a combination of magic and pasta." -Federico Fellini |
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Aug 6 2008, 03:00 PM
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No other country wants them. Forced is too strong of a word. They can't take initiative on their own and [even as they freely admit this among themselves] are too lazy to build and uphold a nice, democratic place to live. If they can hop the fence and have babies/get shrapnel from their own bombs removed in Israeli hospitals, why build their own?? What a skewered view of justice you seem to have. -------------------- "Shake off all the fears and servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell?ob=1 Sentimentality is the emotional promiscuity of those who have no sentiment.---Norman Mailer |
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Aug 6 2008, 03:04 PM
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What a skewered view of justice you seem to have. Who mentioned justice anywhere? -------------------- "Life is a combination of magic and pasta." -Federico Fellini |
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Aug 6 2008, 03:16 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
No other country wants them. Forced is too strong of a word. They can't take initiative on their own and [even as they freely admit this among themselves] are too lazy to build and uphold a nice, democratic place to live. If they can hop the fence and have babies/get shrapnel from their own bombs removed in Israeli hospitals, why build their own?? Wow. You really hate them, don't you. They are being forced to live in refugee camps by Arab nations who have used them as pawns in their persecution of Israel for the last 60 years. Now, a lot of these people were kicked out of their homes at gunpoint by members of the Haganah or the Irgun or later Tzahal in 1947~49 so Israel does have a moral obligation towards them, regardless of whether they are lazy or hardworking. This doesn't exclude the moral debt that Arab nations have toward them for not letting them rebuild their lives there. What would be fair? An arrangement in which both Israel and the Arab world contribute to compensate and fully accomodate them. |
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Aug 6 2008, 03:18 PM
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Wow. You really hate them, don't you. Nope. I actually don't. I was waiting for all the Pro-Palestinian mob to raise their hue and cry. Welcome. -------------------- "Life is a combination of magic and pasta." -Federico Fellini |
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Aug 6 2008, 03:28 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 3,038 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Long Island, NY Member No.: 979 |
Wow. You really hate them, don't you. They are being forced to live in refugee camps by Arab nations who have used them as pawns in their persecution of Israel for the last 60 years. Now, a lot of these people were kicked out of their homes at gunpoint by members of the Haganah or the Irgun or later Tzahal in 1947~49 so Israel does have a moral obligation towards them, regardless of whether they are lazy or hardworking. This doesn't exclude the moral debt that Arab nations have toward them for not letting them rebuild their lives there. What would be fair? An arrangement in which both Israel and the Arab world contribute to compensate and fully accomodate them. Most of the "refugees" today were NOT forced out at gunpoint. The Palestinians are unique in that refugee status has been passed down through the generations. Even if one accepts that a sizeable proportion of the original refugees were really forced to leave (and not merely scared by stories or their own leaders) it's not true of the refugees today. I don't hate the refugees, but I also don't see it as Israel's problem to build their state for them. The Arabs turned them into pawns, let them cough up. We resettled our refugees. -------------------- Remember, correlation does not equal causation.
Coincidence does not imply correlation. Warning: ever-present baby may result in mis-reading of posts. |
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Aug 6 2008, 04:19 PM
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No other country wants them. Forced is too strong of a word. They can't take initiative on their own and [even as they freely admit this among themselves] are too lazy to build and uphold a nice, democratic place to live. If they can hop the fence and have babies/get shrapnel from their own bombs removed in Israeli hospitals, why build their own?? . Most of the "refugees" today were NOT forced out at gunpoint. The Palestinians are unique in that refugee status has been passed down through the generations. Even if one accepts that a sizeable proportion of the original refugees were really forced to leave (and not merely scared by stories or their own leaders) it's not true of the refugees today. I don't hate the refugees, but I also don't see it as Israel's problem to build their state for them. The Arabs turned them into pawns, let them cough up. We resettled our refugees. . -------------------- "If they would allow one dead soul to visit an assembly of philosophers, that would be the end of all their teachings."
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Aug 6 2008, 04:32 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 13,591 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
Most of the "refugees" today were NOT forced out at gunpoint. The Palestinians are unique in that refugee status has been passed down through the generations. Even if one accepts that a sizeable proportion of the original refugees were really forced to leave (and not merely scared by stories or their own leaders) it's not true of the refugees today. I don't hate the refugees, but I also don't see it as Israel's problem to build their state for them. The Arabs turned them into pawns, let them cough up. We resettled our refugees. [Ironic you should say that during the 9 days] -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 6 2008, 04:59 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 17,545 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Occupied Palestine Member No.: 407 |
Is there any possible solution to the Palestininan refugee problem that does NOT involve resettling millions of Palestinians within Israel? What is your opinion on the validity of their claims? Why are they being forced to stay in camps m'dor l'dor instead of being allowed to build lives elsewhere (elsewhere excluding Israel)? They aren't in "camps". That is propaganda. These "camps" have streets, buildings, water and electricity. No it isn't luxurious, but it hardly evokes the image of an african "refugee camp" -------------------- [/flirting]
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Aug 6 2008, 05:01 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 3,276 Joined: 19-March 06 Member No.: 2,506 |
They aren't in "camps". That is propaganda. These "camps" have streets, buildings, water and electricity. No it isn't luxurious, but it hardly evokes the image of an african "refugee camp" Is it propaganda that they're not allowed to leave and seek opportunities elsewhere? |
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Aug 6 2008, 05:33 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 3,038 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Long Island, NY Member No.: 979 |
Yes and no. They could emigrate, if they could find a country to give them a visa. So in theory their movement isn't restricted, in practice most of them don't have a hell of a lot of choice, especially since in countries like Lebanon their education and opportunities were restricted. I don't think the Lebanese government forces them to stay. In fact the Lebanese would be very happy if the Palestinian refugees would disappear--they blame them (not entirely correctly) for the civil war.
The only refugees whose movement is really restricted are the ones in Gaza. -------------------- Remember, correlation does not equal causation.
Coincidence does not imply correlation. Warning: ever-present baby may result in mis-reading of posts. |
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Aug 6 2008, 05:34 PM
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The only refugees whose movement is really restricted are the ones in Gaza. Restricted from coming into Israel you mean(?). Egypt bars 'em too? Interesting. -------------------- "Life is a combination of magic and pasta." -Federico Fellini |
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Aug 6 2008, 05:52 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 17,545 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Occupied Palestine Member No.: 407 |
Is it propaganda that they're not allowed to leave and seek opportunities elsewhere? They're "allowed" to leave, and anyone who CAN already has. The problem is that no one WANTS them, they are the scourge of the Arab world and it serves their political antisemitic purposes to KEEP them "suffering" and blame it on the Evil Zionist Entity, the West and the worldwide Jewish conspiracy........ Even their OWN government lined their pockets and lived a life of luxury while the common people ate dirt..... -------------------- [/flirting]
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Aug 6 2008, 06:01 PM
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The problem is that no one WANTS them.. No other country wants them. There's the answer to your q Jeanette. -------------------- "Life is a combination of magic and pasta." -Federico Fellini |
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