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 Aug 7 2008, 11:49 AM
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If we reinstituted the custom of women's dancing on Tu B'Av, would you participate? (Clearly if you're married you should imagine yourself as single.)
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Aug 7 2008, 11:59 AM
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 חסד זך Group: Members Posts: 3,073 Joined: 16-March 08 From: middle of nowhere Member No.: 7,158 |
I wouldn't watch cause I don't see it as being helpful. How would it help me decide to marry her?
-------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 7 2008, 12:00 PM
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If you would not participate for reasons of law or modesty, either as a man or women, are you then more righteous than the daughters of Jerusalem, and the men who apparently found spouses in those vineyards?
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Aug 7 2008, 12:03 PM
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חסד זך Group: Members Posts: 3,073 Joined: 16-March 08 From: middle of nowhere Member No.: 7,158 |
QUOTE (pottsville @ Aug 7 2008, 01:00 PM)  If you would not participate for reasons of law or modesty, either as a man or women, are you then more righteous than the daughters of Jerusalem, and the men who apparently found spouses in those vineyards? well halacha says that this is what we should do, and it further says that this is what we should do on yom kippur as well. (I suppose its the origional source for women wearing white on YK) so how can you be frum and refuse? its mind boggling for someone to claim that it was a frum thing not to. -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 7 2008, 12:07 PM
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 Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 5,936 Joined: 1-June 03 Member No.: 72 |
The answer of course is that today we are on a lower level and therefore can not handle the taavos that they could.
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Aug 7 2008, 12:18 PM
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חסד זך Group: Members Posts: 3,073 Joined: 16-March 08 From: middle of nowhere Member No.: 7,158 |
QUOTE (int @ Aug 7 2008, 01:07 PM) The answer of course is that today we are on a lower level and therefore can not handle the taavos that they could. so halacha changes? kofer! 
-------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 7 2008, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (pottsville @ Aug 7 2008, 01:00 PM) If you would not participate for reasons of law or modesty, either as a man or women, are you then more righteous than the daughters of Jerusalem, and the men who apparently found spouses in those vineyards?  QUOTE (int @ Aug 7 2008, 01:07 PM) The answer of course is that today we are on a lower level and therefore can not handle the taavos that they could.  Bring on the dancing! -------------------- דעו מאביכם כי לא בוש אבוש שוב אשוב אליכם כי בא מועד
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Aug 7 2008, 12:24 PM
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 Disgustingly Insensitive Group: Members Posts: 16,833 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Occupied Palestine Member No.: 407 |
QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 7 2008, 12:49 PM) If we reinstituted the custom of women's dancing on Tu B'Av, would you participate? (Clearly if you're married you should imagine yourself as single.) Well if we are reinstituting old customs, why not reinstate polygamy too while we're at it??? -------------------- [/flirting]
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Aug 7 2008, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 7 2008, 01:24 PM) Well if we are reinstituting old customs, why not reinstate polygamy too while we're at it??? No biggie. If we reinstate both we'll just have to invite more women and less men for the dancing.
-------------------- דעו מאביכם כי לא בוש אבוש שוב אשוב אליכם כי בא מועד
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Aug 7 2008, 12:26 PM
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חסד זך Group: Members Posts: 3,073 Joined: 16-March 08 From: middle of nowhere Member No.: 7,158 |
QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 7 2008, 01:24 PM) Well if we are reinstituting old customs, why not reinstate polygamy too while we're at it??? because polygamy was a bad custome hon. "it brought evil wherever it was practiced" -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
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Aug 7 2008, 12:41 PM
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 Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 2,841 Joined: 16-May 05 From: Jerusalem Member No.: 1,499 |
QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 7 2008, 07:49 PM) If we reinstituted the custom of women's dancing on Tu B'Av, would you participate? (Clearly if you're married you should imagine yourself as single.) Who says it would be optional? As I see it, shlichei beis din would come and collect all of the singles (having previously reviewed their shidduch resume, blood type, and shtar yochsin) and bring them to the appropriate vineyard, it wouldn't do to just assign them to a vineyard, because people might meet someone inappropriate along the way. A male shadchan would be appointed to each single man to hold his hand over the chosson's eyes so we could both fulfill the minhag to have the women dance while preserving Torah-true values. At the end of the day, anyone not paired off would be taken to gender-segregated lecture halls for a lecture on the importance of the Jewish family, the laws of gifts exchanged by chossonim and kallos, the similarity between wormy wood and older singles, and midrashim about the happy marriages of the Avos and their non-Avos. -------------------- I am DEMANDING that the Rabbonim start screaming about this.
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Aug 7 2008, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (p_almonius @ Aug 7 2008, 01:41 PM) Who says it would be optional? As I see it, shlichei beis din would come and collect all of the singles (having previously reviewed their shidduch resume, blood type, and shtar yochsin) and bring them to the appropriate vineyard, it wouldn't do to just assign them to a vineyard, because people might meet someone inappropriate along the way. A male shadchan would be appointed to each single man to hold his hand over the chosson's eyes so we could both fulfill the minhag to have the women dance while preserving Torah-true values. At the end of the day, anyone not paired off would be taken to gender-segregated lecture halls for a lecture on the importance of the Jewish family, the laws of gifts exchanged by chossonim and kallos, the similarity between wormy wood and older singles, and midrashim about the happy marriages of the Avos and their non-Avos. hahahahahaha! -------------------- |
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Aug 7 2008, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 7 2008, 01:24 PM) Well if we are reinstituting old customs, why not reinstate polygamy too while we're at it??? Because the Tu B'Av dancing was never banned -- polygamy was. |
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Aug 8 2008, 11:00 AM
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 Rebbe  Group: Members Posts: 1,920 Joined: 13-January 05 From: The not-so-big Apple Member No.: 1,017 |
QUOTE (int @ Aug 7 2008, 01:07 PM) The answer of course is that today we are on a lower level and therefore can not handle the taavos that they could. IIRC, that's exactly the reason the custom was stopped... -------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess
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Aug 8 2008, 11:04 AM
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 Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 7-November 05 Member No.: 1,987 |
So if the selection of the women wasn't due to taavos, then wht were the men choosing by? was it just like so you think you can dance??
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Aug 8 2008, 11:07 AM
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Rebbe Group: Members Posts: 1,920 Joined: 13-January 05 From: The not-so-big Apple Member No.: 1,017 |
QUOTE (smishu @ Aug 8 2008, 12:04 PM) So if the selection of the women wasn't due to taavos, then wht were the men choosing by? was it just like so you think you can dance?? There were other things that may have gone on that were also due to those taavos... -------------------- "I dare because I am Brianna, you twit." - Nubie Goddess "That's a very good point. I'm impressed." - melech "Honey who said anything about tefillin dates, there was no tefillin involved." - |