Undeveluped theory about shidduchim and f/m demographics |
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Undeveluped theory about shidduchim and f/m demographics |
Aug 7 2008, 02:46 PM
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I had a random idea/theory that I wanted to think through and hear thoughts about.
There is a lot of buzz about their being more women than men in shidduchim. Some point to the difference between being a "top guy" vs a "top girl". Others have interesting math the points to the age spread between couples. Other point to the 49/51 gender split birth ratio. I never was really satisfied with the above idea that there are physically more women around than men. And then I had a thought. Is it possible that more girls are born that boys in the Jewish community on an overall scale, due to halachic concerns about having son(s) in family planning? For an extreme/basic example, a family with 3 sons might "call it quits", whereas a family with 3 daughters might be inclined/would be pushed towards to keep trying hoping the next one would be a boy. -------------------- "But its not the type of thing to mess around with....If after 120 you come up and Hashem says "NU?!" and you say "Whaaa" - Then you're in trouble"
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Aug 7 2008, 02:51 PM
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I had a random idea/theory that I wanted to think through and hear thoughts about. There is a lot of buzz about their being more women than men in shidduchim. Some point to the difference between being a "top guy" vs a "top girl". Others have interesting math the points to the age spread between couples. Other point to the 49/51 gender split birth ratio. I never was really satisfied with the above idea that there are physically more women around than men. And then I had a thought. Is it possible that more girls are born that boys in the Jewish community on an overall scale, due to halachic concerns about having son(s) in family planning? For an extreme/basic example, a family with 3 sons might "call it quits", whereas a family with 3 daughters might be inclined/would be pushed towards to keep trying hoping the next one would be a boy. my mother had 5 boys becuase she wanted a girl. . . I'm sorry I dissapointed her. althogh I just realized that niddah actualy helps you have boys a littlebit. Not alot but a little. -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 7 2008, 02:59 PM
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Is it possible that more girls are born that boys in the Jewish community on an overall scale, due to halachic concerns about having son(s) in family planning? For an extreme/basic example, a family with 3 sons might "call it quits", whereas a family with 3 daughters might be inclined/would be pushed towards to keep trying hoping the next one would be a boy. Doesn't the basic mitzvah of pru ur'vu consist of 1 male and 1 female? althogh I just realized that niddah actualy helps you have boys a littlebit. Not alot but a little. What?!?! -------------------- Many people wish they could change their life, when all they really need to do is change their attitude towards life. - Sharon
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Aug 7 2008, 03:00 PM
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Halachically you need to have a boy and a girl in order to have fulfilled the mitzvah, so I don't think the example of three boys and no girls really applies. Maybe three boys and one girl vs. three girls and one boy? Still sounds strange to me though.
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Aug 7 2008, 03:02 PM
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What?!?! yes actualy. what, did you think it was totaly random if you have a boy or a girl? A X and Y sperm don't travel at the same speed, Y sperm are more lively and also less hardy, so therefore die faster in the highly hostile enviornment of the uterous. This means that if you are intimate before ovulation you're more likely to have a girl (cause the Y sperm might die first and the X sperm can catch up) and if you do so after wards you're more likely to have a boy (cause the Y sperm sprint ahead of the Xs) -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:05 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 13,586 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
Is it true that there are more Orthodox women than men? What's the source for that?
Anyway this shidduch crisis business is a bunch of self-manufactured b.s. The day people stop having ridiculous criteria and expectations is the day this crisis goes away. -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:05 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
Is it possible that more girls are born that boys in the Jewish community on an overall scale, due to halachic concerns about having son(s) in family planning? It makes absolutely no difference. Every time a child is born there is the same possibility of it being a boy or a girl, so the overall population will follow this trend; the larger the population the more closely it will follow the probabilities.For an extreme/basic example, a family with 3 sons might "call it quits", whereas a family with 3 daughters might be inclined/would be pushed towards to keep trying hoping the next one would be a boy. So basically your theory is a fallacy. (sorry |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:06 PM
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It makes absolutely no difference. Every time a child is born there is the same possibility of it being a boy or a girl, so the overall population will follow this trend; the larger the population the more closely it will follow the probabilities. So basically your theory is a fallacy. (sorry actualy this isn't true. More boys are born than girls, but more boys die than boys, so therefore by the time the population gets to be of marriagable age there are more girls than boys. -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:09 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
Is it true that there are more Orthodox women than men? What's the source for that? Most human populations have a larger population of women than men as a result in the difference in life expectancy (women live longer than men). Ironically there are slightly more male than female children born...actualy this isn't true. More boys are born than girls, but more boys die than boys, so therefore by the time the population gets to be of marriagable age there are more girls than boys. Yes, but the idea of families always trying to have a boy causing a greater number of girls is a fallacy.
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Aug 7 2008, 03:10 PM
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Is it true that there are more Orthodox women than men? What's the source for that? What! Letters to the Yated and Jewish press are not sources? -------------------- "But its not the type of thing to mess around with....If after 120 you come up and Hashem says "NU?!" and you say "Whaaa" - Then you're in trouble"
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Aug 7 2008, 03:13 PM
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It makes absolutely no difference. Every time a child is born there is the same possibility of it being a boy or a girl, so the overall population will follow this trend; the larger the population the more closely it will follow the probabilities. So basically your theory is a fallacy. (sorry That makes sense. -------------------- "But its not the type of thing to mess around with....If after 120 you come up and Hashem says "NU?!" and you say "Whaaa" - Then you're in trouble"
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Aug 7 2008, 03:14 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:17 PM
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For an extreme/basic example, a family with 3 sons might "call it quits", whereas a family with 3 daughters might be inclined/would be pushed towards to keep trying hoping the next one would be a boy. I don't know of any families that have three boys, but I know quite a few that have three girls. I would be curious if other people have similar anecdotal experience. |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:18 PM
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Letters "in" the Yated would be more accurate. (Most of them originate within the Yated...) For most people who read it, it suits them. Apparently. -------------------- |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:25 PM
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Rebbe Group: Members Posts: 1,260 Joined: 5-April 05 Member No.: 1,360 |
I don't know of any families that have three boys, but I know quite a few that have three girls. I would be curious if other people have similar anecdotal experience. I don't know of any families that have three girls, but I do know many that have three boys. So much for anecdotal evidence. |
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Aug 7 2008, 03:37 PM
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For an extreme/basic example, a family with 3 sons might "call it quits", whereas a family with 3 daughters might be inclined/would be pushed towards to keep trying hoping the next one would be a boy. Are heterim for birth control given when the reason is "calling it quits"? -------------------- I am DEMANDING that the Rabbonim start screaming about this.
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Aug 7 2008, 03:42 PM
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