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 Aug 7 2008, 07:06 PM
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I just learned these new phrases.
In Israel, Dati Leumi OTDs are called "datlash" (dati l'she'avar.) Chareidi OTDs are called "chozer b'she'ela" (the opposite of "chozer b'tshuva"). |
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Aug 7 2008, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 7 2008, 08:06 PM)  I just learned these new phrases. In Israel, Dati Leumi OTDs are called "datlash" (dati l'she'avar.) Chareidi OTDs are called "chozer b'she'ela" (the opposite of "chozer b'tshuva"). You don't have to have been chareidi to be a "chozer b'she'ela". I think that's a catch-all term for anyone who frum. I think they're referred to as נושרים by heimishe people. mosheshmeal . -------------------- LIMS |
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Aug 7 2008, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Aug 7 2008, 08:10 PM) You don't have to have been chareidi to be a "chozer b'she'ela". I think that's a catch-all term for anyone who frum. Perhaps not, but I think the point is that they invented this new term for DL OTDs. QUOTE I think they're referred to as noshrim by heimishe people. "They" who? What does noshrim mean? |
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Aug 7 2008, 07:14 PM
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It's not new afaik. I know many satlash's myself.
mosheshmeal . -------------------- LIMS |
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Aug 7 2008, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Aug 7 2008, 08:10 PM) You don't have to have been chareidi to be a "chozer b'she'ela". I think that's a catch-all term for anyone who frum. Also a Datlash is lav davka a DL who goes OTD it can be a Charedi too. And they are usually still associated with the community and are oftern still outwardly frum. Chozer B'Shalia is full blown freied out...... -------------------- [/flirting]
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Aug 7 2008, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Aug 7 2008, 08:14 PM) It's not new afaik. I know many satlash's myself. Is this a typo? And what does noshrim mean? QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 7 2008, 08:16 PM) Also a Datlash is lav davka a DL who goes OTD it can be a Charedi too. And they are usually still associated with the community and are oftern still outwardly frum. Chozer B'Shalia is full blown freied out...... How can you be outwardly frum and OTD at the same time? |
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Aug 7 2008, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 7 2008, 08:19 PM) How can you be outwardly frum and OTD at the same time? You dress "frum". Your friends are also former frummies or frum lite. The girls that you mess around with are from frum/haredi families.... It's not really freing out, it is a whole "frum" underworld/subculture. They even have private bars/clubs/parties for such people that regular people aren't allowed in to..... -------------------- [/flirting]
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Aug 7 2008, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 7 2008, 08:19 PM) Is this a typo? No. The samech stands for Satmer... QUOTE And what does noshrim mean? It's from the term for fruit that fall from a tree. QUOTE How can you be outwardly frum and OTD at the same time? Surely you can work it out. mosheshmeal . -------------------- LIMS |
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Aug 7 2008, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 7 2008, 08:21 PM) You dress "frum". Your friends are also former frummies or frum lite. The girls that you mess around with are from frum/haredi families.... It's not really freing out, it is a whole "frum" underworld/subculture. They even have private bars/clubs/parties for such people that regular people aren't allowed in to..... Oh my.  QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Aug 7 2008, 08:22 PM) No. The samech stands for Satmer... It's from the term for fruit that fall from a tree. Thanks. QUOTE Surely you can work it out. I'm pondering it.......... |
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Aug 7 2008, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Aug 7 2008, 07:10 PM) You don't have to have been chareidi to be a "chozer b'she'ela". OTDs themselves use "Yotzeh/ah lisheilah". There's also the term datla"sh, but the two have different connotations. Yotzeh lisheilah has a connotation of either intellectual OTDs or anti-religious OTDs while datla"sh is more neutral/politically correct.
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Aug 8 2008, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 8 2008, 12:40 AM) OTDs themselves use "Yotzeh/ah lisheilah". There's also the term datla"sh, but the two have different connotations. Yotzeh lisheilah has a connotation of either intellectual OTDs or anti-religious OTDs while datla"sh is more neutral/politically correct. That's very interesting, but also kind of freaky. |
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Aug 8 2008, 01:52 PM
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I like "yotzah l'shaila". Maybe I'll start using it.
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Aug 8 2008, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 8 2008, 09:28 AM) That's very interesting, but also kind of freaky. There's also charedim lesheavar who are still dati. Many of the people who are helped by Hillel are like that.
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Aug 8 2008, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 8 2008, 03:05 PM) There's also charedim lesheavar who are still dati. Many of the people who are helped by Hillel are like that. My goodness. This really brings the cliche of "two Jews, three shuls" to new heights. |
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