How do you define "art?" |
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How do you define "art?" |
Aug 7 2008, 10:41 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 28-February 07 From: In ur fridgez eatin' ur foodz Member No.: 5,066 |
Pet peeve: Those 3-D cut outs in the frames that are an arts and crafts excuse for art. What do you consider to be art? Do you have certain guidelines that you think something has to meet before it can be considered art? Do you think it's intuitive and you can't explain it? Does it have to be through a certain medium? Do you discount art created through certain mediums more than others? Why (or why not)? I wonder how other people articulate their definition or concept of art, especially since I recently had to write a short essay on the topic. -------------------- "Discussion is the pickaxe which uncovers the Truth from the mountain of error under which it is buried."
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Aug 8 2008, 07:17 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 35,339 Joined: 2-September 03 Member No.: 239 |
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Aug 8 2008, 08:05 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 13,591 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
I think that any definition of art must involve expression of an abstract idea. Art involves conception of an idea or a state of mind, and then representation of it through a concrete medium. So, a straightforward photographic portrait is not art, unless it conveys a mood, a state of mind of the subject, something beyond just a copy of their likeness.
-------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 8 2008, 08:16 AM
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Please share the short essay. ... * *Disclaimer: it means "i concur with said poster's quote". -------------------- Are you a good witch or a bad witch? |
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Aug 8 2008, 08:53 AM
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What do you consider to be art? Art is basically anything that someone created that doesn't have any purpose except to be looked at. Everything else is design. And just because something is art, it doesn't mean that it's good art. A portrait of dogs playing poker is art. Cr@p art. |
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Aug 8 2008, 08:59 AM
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I think art is anything that people create/stumble upon to envoke a feeling.
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Aug 8 2008, 09:09 AM
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Art is basically anything that someone created that doesn't have any purpose except to be looked at. Everything else is design. And just because something is art, it doesn't mean that it's good art. A portrait of dogs playing poker is art. Cr@p art. Or any other sense. -------------------- "Shake off all the fears and servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell?ob=1 Sentimentality is the emotional promiscuity of those who have no sentiment.---Norman Mailer |
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Aug 8 2008, 09:36 AM
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Or any other sense. Right. Since the OP referenced cut-outs I thought we were talking about visual art in particular, but I guess my definition works for all art forms. Like if it's a song written for a commercial in order to sell something, it's not art. It can be a beautiful song, but it's still not art. |
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Aug 8 2008, 10:05 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 13,591 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
Right. Since the OP referenced cut-outs I thought we were talking about visual art in particular, but I guess my definition works for all art forms. Like if it's a song written for a commercial in order to sell something, it's not art. It can be a beautiful song, but it's still not art. So if I doodle and give it to you to pin to your wall, I just made art? -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 8 2008, 10:22 AM
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So if I doodle and give it to you to pin to your wall, I just made art? If you claim it as such -------------------- "I dont know Art, but I know pictures"
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Aug 8 2008, 10:27 AM
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Art is an expression of the right hemisphere of the brain.
-------------------- It is our choices... that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -JK Rowling
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Aug 8 2008, 10:28 AM
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Art is basically anything that someone created that doesn't have any purpose except to be looked at. Everything else is design. And just because something is art, it doesn't mean that it's good art. A portrait of dogs playing poker is art. Cr@p art. Thats a nice definition, but what if I pish in Duchamp's Urinal, is it no longer art? or what if i eat one of Felix Gonzalez-Torres candies is that not art? -------------------- "I dont know Art, but I know pictures"
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Aug 8 2008, 10:32 AM
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Thats a nice definition, but what if I pish in Duchamp's Urinal, is it no longer art? or what if i eat one of Felix Gonzalez-Torres candies is that not art? it's p*iss. -------------------- Are you a good witch or a bad witch? |
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Aug 8 2008, 11:27 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 28-February 07 From: In ur fridgez eatin' ur foodz Member No.: 5,066 |
Since the OP referenced cut-outs I thought we were talking about visual art in particular I wasn't clear, sorry. I don't mean visual in particular, by "art" I mean anything, including, say, literature. Please share the short essay. I'll post the first paragraph or so, but I'd rather not post the whole thing online. If someone wants to see the rest, a PM would work. QUOTE "The products of human creativity." This is one definition I found of 'art,' and one that I think sums up a lot about it- though obviously not all. I don't know if there is any definition all-encompassing enough to define art, or if it can even really be defined completely. One of the difficulties in defining art is that art is extremely subjective- there is nothing definite about it. Our ideas about what constitutes art are as diverse as we ourselves are. But regardless of whether or not we see something as art, most of us will agree that much of what we at least call art is a byproduct of human creativity- or, according to some opinions concerning individual works, a byproduct of lack of creativity. My own view is that if someone creates something in their own creative way, and they want it to be viewed as art, it is. It might not be art to you, but it is art, innately, because it's their creation and was created with that mindset. Art is a concept that only exists as long as we want it to or as long as we apply it to something; if the Mona Lisa existed but every last human passed away, would it still be considered art? I would say no. The concept of art would have ceased to exist along with the last human, leaving the Mona Lisa to exist merely as some colored pigments on canvas. QUOTE But what is art? I just used the words 'beauty' and 'uniqueness,' but are those factors in deciding art? I think many people gravitate towards creating and viewing beautiful pieces of art, but those are not deciding factors. Art can be ugly, art can be crude, and art can be sloppy. So then is art supposed to be unique or inspired? Does it have to have a purpose behind it? Does it have to challenge, or create new ideas? I think not. Those are all aspects that much of art does encompass and embrace, but I don't think these features are required or even necessary for something to be art. Sure, they might make the creation more meaningful or have more content, but does art need content or meaning? In my view, all art needs to actually be art is for someone- anyone- to consider it art, and then it is so.
-------------------- "Discussion is the pickaxe which uncovers the Truth from the mountain of error under which it is buried."
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Aug 8 2008, 11:30 AM
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So if I doodle and give it to you to pin to your wall, I just made art? Yep. Thats a nice definition, but what if I pish in Duchamp's Urinal, is it no longer art? or what if i eat one of Felix Gonzalez-Torres candies is that not art? Regarding the urinal, it was not created to be a urinal, regardless of whether you use it as one or not. Regarding the candies, you're meant to interact with it, but only in order that what there is to look at should be different. The candies aren't there because he's selling candy. They're not there because he wants to give away candy, either. |
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Aug 8 2008, 11:42 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 13,591 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
Yep. I don't think so. Then all crud qualifies as art, when it isn't. "Arts and crafts" (that melech is talking about) and "doodling" and the like, are not art, they are "arts and crafts" and "doodling". Or photographs. Or court drawings. Just because I make a picture of something, does not mean it is art. Art must convey an abstract idea from the artist to the viewer. -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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