Russia at War with Georgia!, Over breakaway region |
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  Aug 9 2008, 11:32 PM
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 Verisimilitudinous  Group: Members Posts: 9,015 Joined: 25-June 03 From: Runway 37 Member No.: 106  |
In a Nutshell
 A Georgian man cries as he holds the body of his relative after a bombardment in Gori, 80 km (50 miles) from Tbilisi, August 9, 2008. A Russian warplane dropped a bomb on an apartment block in Gori on Saturday, killing at least 5 people. - Reuters  A column of tanks and other armored vehicles roll near the town of Alagir on the road to the border of the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia on Saturday, Aug. 9, 2008. AP Photo  Georgian soldiers evacuate their base after a Russian bombardment in Gori, 80 km (50 miles) from Tbilisi, August 9, 2008. Russia said it had driven Georgian forces from the capital of South Ossetia on Saturday as part of an operation to force Georgia to accept peace in its breakaway region. Reuters  18 mins ago: A Russian mobile artillery unit fires a 152mm shell towards a Georgian position outside the South-Ossetian settlement of Dzhava, August 9, 2008. Reuters  Debris that Georgian authorities say is that of a Russian bomber is seen after being shot down near the village of Dzevera, some 100 km (62 miles) from Tbilisi, August 9, 2008. Reuters  A destroyed Georgian tank is seen at a street in the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali, August 9, 2008. Reuters mosheshmeal . -------------------- "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow grow, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation." -George Washington |
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Aug 9 2008, 11:48 PM
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Gabbai  Group: Members Posts: 767 Joined: 3-February 06 Member No.: 2,325 |
So if I understand this, a breakaway region of a a breakaway republic is trying to re-unite with the country that the the breakaway republic broke away from.
Although naturally I would want to take any side against russia I cant help but feel that Georgia is in the wrong in trying to keep South Ossetia even though they;ve had 2 referendums declaring they want to be part of russia. -------------------- Is your mekubal telling you to post these topics? -existwhere
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Aug 9 2008, 11:52 PM
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Verisimilitudinous Group: Members Posts: 9,015 Joined: 25-June 03 From: Runway 37 Member No.: 106 |
QUOTE (Natanel @ Aug 10 2008, 12:48 AM)  So if I understand this, a breakaway region of a a breakaway republic is trying to re-unite with the country that the the breakaway republic broke away from. No, they want their own republic. But they will be pro-Russia, like Georgia is pro-US. mosheshmeal . -------------------- "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow grow, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation." -George Washington |
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Aug 9 2008, 11:54 PM
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Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 767 Joined: 3-February 06 Member No.: 2,325 |
QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Aug 10 2008, 12:52 AM) No, they want their own republic. But they will be pro-Russia, like Georgia is pro-US. mosheshmeal . Arent they only 70 000 people? And havent they all been given russian passports? -------------------- Is your mekubal telling you to post these topics? -existwhere
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Aug 10 2008, 12:21 AM
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 CHALLAH HU AKBAR Group: Members Posts: 4,329 Joined: 2-August 05 From: brooklyn, ny Member No.: 1,702 |
QUOTE (Natanel @ Aug 10 2008, 12:54 AM) Arent they only 70 000 people? And havent they all been given russian passports? 90% of the population carries russian passports, which was russia's pretense for rolling in the tanks ("we're protecting russian citizens"). -------------------- QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ May 25 2008, 08:00 PM) OK Now, I'm sure of it. I DO :wub: you........ Why aren't the rest of the chicks like you.... :( QUOTE (the Real Adiel @ Nov 11 2008, 09:09 PM) I got a Yeshiva education. Lower your expectations. |
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Aug 10 2008, 12:58 AM
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Verisimilitudinous Group: Members Posts: 9,015 Joined: 25-June 03 From: Runway 37 Member No.: 106 |
Informative background article (May 22): http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx?action=p...&id=2191588
And this: http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx?action=p...&id=2197155 Well worth a read if you want to understand the situation. mosheshmeal . -------------------- "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow grow, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation." -George Washington |
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Aug 10 2008, 01:32 AM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
My 2¢ here:
Russia is only doing this to show the west that they're back as a military superpower, and not out of any genuine support for South Ossetia. The west is backing the morally wrong side just to show they can challenge Russia. This has already happened before in Kosovo... If the west really had any moral fiber they'd offer Georgia an ultimatum: leave South Ossetia or forget about joining Nato or the EU. If Russia had any moral fiber they'd be using diplomatic channels or at worst asking for economic sanctions instead of full fledged war. |
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Aug 10 2008, 07:03 AM
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 Rebbe  Group: Members Posts: 1,951 Joined: 21-June 06 From: Southern boy trapped in NYC Member No.: 2,898 |
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 10 2008, 02:32 AM) The west is backing the morally wrong side just to show they can challenge Russia. This has already happened before in Kosovo... Why is Gruzia morally wrong? Isn't South Ossetia part of Gruzian territory? Should Miami be allowed to declare its independence from the U.S., and become an independent Hispanic nation, now that so many Cubans have rafted to the city that it's now a majority Hispanic? |
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Aug 10 2008, 08:20 AM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
QUOTE (Bezalel @ Aug 10 2008, 07:03 AM) Why is Gruzia morally wrong? Actually, if Dade county actually had a majority Cuban population, and this population had been there before it became US territory, and it bordered Cuba it would have a very strong argument for cecession from the US.Isn't South Ossetia part of Gruzian territory? Should Miami be allowed to declare its independence from the U.S., and become an independent Hispanic nation, now that so many Cubans have rafted to the city that it's now a majority Hispanic? ETA: Why do I get the feeling that there has had to be someone in Savannah or Atlanta who turned on the evening news and heard that "Russia is attacking Georigia" and rushed out screaming frantically "Dem Reds are Comin!!"? |
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Aug 10 2008, 09:39 AM
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 Shtark  Group: Members Posts: 341 Joined: 18-July 06 From: Canada/Poland Member No.: 3,043 |
QUOTE (krumlikeapretzel @ Aug 10 2008, 09:20 AM) Actually, if Dade county actually had a majority Cuban population, and this population had been there before it became US territory, and it bordered Cuba it would have a very strong argument for cecession from the US. Why this condition in particular? QUOTE ETA: Why do I get the feeling that there has had to be someone in Savannah or Atlanta who turned on the evening news and heard that "Russia is attacking Georigia" and rushed out screaming frantically "Dem Reds are Comin!!"? I don't know whether it is appropriate to laugh in this tread but I giggle. |
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Aug 10 2008, 06:17 PM
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Verisimilitudinous Group: Members Posts: 9,015 Joined: 25-June 03 From: Runway 37 Member No.: 106 |
-------------------- "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow grow, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation." -George Washington |
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Aug 10 2008, 07:15 PM
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 Rebbe Group: Members Posts: 1,399 Joined: 29-March 05 Member No.: 1,336 |
This is like when Hitler invaded Czecheslovakia. Russia wants all their provinces they had that was taken away from them by the Warsaw Pact. Russia is just testing us. Learn your history people.
-------------------- It is our choices... that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -JK Rowling
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Aug 10 2008, 07:18 PM
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Shtark Group: Members Posts: 341 Joined: 18-July 06 From: Canada/Poland Member No.: 3,043 |
QUOTE (brainychic @ Aug 10 2008, 08:15 PM) This is like when Hitler invaded Czecheslovakia. Russia wants all their provinces they had that was taken away from them by the Warsaw Pact. Russia is just testing us. Learn your history people. The Warsaw Pact took provinces from Russia? |
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Aug 10 2008, 11:49 PM
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Gabbai Group: Members Posts: 494 Joined: 31-July 08 Member No.: 7,417 |
well its not like ossetians are Russians or even Georgians, They are Persians (altho mostly christian) so they dont really fit in either place, they are a left over of the persian empire like tats & Bucharian Jews (who are also persian speaking)
-------------------- נ נח נחמ נחמן מאומן
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Aug 10 2008, 11:58 PM
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 Little Reb Sunshine Group: Members Posts: 13,591 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
QUOTE (brainychic @ Aug 10 2008, 08:15 PM) This is like when Hitler invaded Czecheslovakia. Russia wants all their provinces they had that was taken away from them by the Warsaw Pact. Russia is just testing us. Learn your history people. If you say so  Anyway, this morning I thought it was over, with reports of Georgia pulling out of Tskhinvali to meet Russian cease-fire conditions. But tonight I'm reading that Russians bombed Tbilisi, and Georgia is pulling troops out of Iraq and redeploying to fight in Osetia. I have no idea what's going on. A Georgian lady I know is spending a lot of time in church this weekend... Georgians should've known how Russia would respond. Maybe they figured with Putin in China and Medvedev being new at this, they could get their territory back but... -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
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Aug 11 2008, 02:29 AM
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Verisimilitudinous Group: Members Posts: 9,015 Joined: 25-June 03 From: Runway 37 Member No.: 106 |
ARMED FORCES COMPARED
GEORGIA Total personnel: 26,900 Main battle tanks (T-72): 82 Armoured personnel carriers: 139 Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95 RUSSIA Total personnel: 641,000 Main battle tanks (various): 6,717 Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388 Combat aircraft (various): 1,206 Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550 Source: Jane's Sentinel Country Risk Assessments *** ms . -------------------- "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow grow, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation." -George Washington |
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