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post Aug 11 2008, 12:13 PM
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If someone is born to a non-Jewish mother, and later converts, do we daven for them using ben/bat Sarah Imeinu or do we use their father's or father's mother's name?


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QUOTE (NY-LON @ Aug 11 2008, 12:13 PM) *
If someone is born to a non-Jewish mother, and later converts, do we daven for them using ben/bat Sarah Imeinu or do we use their father's or father's mother's name?

Both the child and parent convert after birth?


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post Aug 11 2008, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (NY-LON @ Aug 11 2008, 10:13 AM) *
If someone is born to a non-Jewish mother, and later converts, do we daven for them using ben/bat Sarah Imeinu or do we use their father's or father's mother's name?



My ex-wife converted (before we were engaged). She took the Hebrew name of Rifka & was called Rifka bas Sarah.


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post Aug 11 2008, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE (NY-LON @ Aug 11 2008, 01:13 PM) *
If someone is born to a non-Jewish mother, and later converts, do we daven for them using ben/bat Sarah Imeinu or do we use their father's or father's mother's name?


Generally, a convert's name is going to be X or Y ben/bath Abraham Abinou and Sarah Imenou. However, there are cases (e.g. having a Jewish father) where the convert would be X or Y ben/bath Father's Hebrew Name and Sarah Imenou.


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do you have to say the "Avinu"/"Imenu" part? just "bat Sarah" is not enough?


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post Aug 11 2008, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (Moshi @ Aug 11 2008, 12:18 PM) *
do you have to say the "Avinu"/"Imenu" part? just "bat Sarah" is not enough?
I've heard the "avinu/imenu" part dropped from people I knew were gerim. Perhaps to preserve privacy.
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post Aug 11 2008, 03:03 PM
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If you are talking about a ger katan whose parents were also migayer I've heard of both. It is individual. For someone whose parents dud not convert they are always bas/ ben Avraham/ Sarah., You don't need the Avinu and Imenu.


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post Aug 11 2008, 03:30 PM
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The mother didn't convert, in this case. She died when her son was very young. He was raised Jewish and formally converted as an adult. Thanks for the answers.


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post Aug 11 2008, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (NY-LON @ Aug 11 2008, 10:30 PM) *
The mother didn't convert, in this case. She died when her son was very young. He was raised Jewish and formally converted as an adult. Thanks for the answers.


I should have said if he was raise by Jewish parents. I've known adopted children who were migayer as babies who went by their adopted parents names. FWIW. smile.gif


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post Aug 14 2008, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (YoelYitzchak @ Aug 11 2008, 01:28 PM) *
My ex-wife converted (before we were engaged). She took the Hebrew name of Rifka & was called Rifka bas Sarah.

רפקה Isnt a hebrew name that i know of


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post Aug 14 2008, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (Jewcepticon @ Aug 14 2008, 05:02 PM) *
רפקה Isnt a hebrew name that i know of


It's a Yiddishized variant of Ribkah. I know plenty of Sepharade women whose only name is "Luna" or "Sol."


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post Aug 17 2008, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (Shemmy @ Aug 14 2008, 05:20 PM) *
It's a Yiddishized variant of Ribkah. I know plenty of Sepharade women whose only name is "Luna" or "Sol."

You mean Reebhqaa /reebhgaw right wink3.gif


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post Aug 17 2008, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (Jewcepticon @ Aug 17 2008, 04:10 PM) *
You mean Reebhqaa /reebhgaw right wink3.gif


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post Aug 17 2008, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Teeny Beeny @ Aug 17 2008, 04:58 PM) *
Rivvvvvkah

no, Rivkah would be spelled רבכה but it isnt a kaf its quf and the vowel at the end is qawmas smile.gif


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post Aug 17 2008, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (Jewcepticon @ Aug 17 2008, 06:21 PM) *
no, Rivkah would be spelled רבכה but it isnt a kaf its quf and the vowel at the end is qawmas smile.gif


Lol....only thing is, it's not yiddishized. I think it's more Americanized or just 'conversation'ized tongue.gif


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