Immortality near? |
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Immortality near? |
Aug 12 2008, 11:52 AM
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In this recently published article, they claim to have stopped (or slowed down) the aging of a whole organ. As science rapidly progresses, I will not be surprised if it learns how to stop aging altogether in the next 50 or so years, thereby basically achieving human immortality.
My question is, how p*ssed would you be to die right before this becomes available? It is one thing to not be concerned by death and one's own mortality when it is the natural and inevitable course of things all around you. Everyone dies, so it's no big deal that I will too. Some might even look forward to getting some eternal rest. But it is a whole other thing when humanity is on the brink of immortality (50 or a 100 years into the future) and you will die and be forever lost while the very next generation or the generation after that will live _forever_. [Obviously, once immortality is reached, there will be no more children allowed.] -------------------- |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:00 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12,951 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
wow.
isn't there something about a finite number a cell can divide/regenerate itself? -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:02 PM
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wow. isn't there something about a finite number a cell can divide/regenerate itself? I don't think it's a fundamental obstacle - I think it's determined by telomeres (a sort of a marker on the dna). If we can manipulate it, we can make the cell divide an infinite number of times. -------------------- |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:03 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12,951 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
I don't think it's a fundamental obstacle - I think it's determined by telomeres (a sort of a marker on the dna). If we can manipulate it, we can make the cell divide an infinite number of times. Wouldn't you need to modify the DNA of each individual cell on a living person? How would you do that? -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:12 PM
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Wouldn't you need to modify the DNA of each individual cell on a living person? How would you do that? Easy. A virus. [A very efficient self replicating delivery mechanism]. -------------------- |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:14 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12,951 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
Easy. A virus. [A very efficient self replicating delivery mechanism]. it would get into all the cells? pretty cool. wouldn't people still die of sickness? -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:21 PM
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it would get into all the cells? pretty cool. wouldn't people still die of sickness? Possible. But in time we would learn how to eliminate sickness too. (Again by tinkering with genetic code and putting up better defenses and perhaps pro-active offenses on the mutating bacterial and viral infections). If you view the human body as a machine, then there is no fundamental reason why it should be mortal. Take your car, for example...another machine. What's to stop you from continually repairing it and replacing the worn out parts, and having it work forever? -------------------- |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:38 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,491 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
What's the point?
-------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
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Aug 12 2008, 12:40 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12,951 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
-------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:41 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,491 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
-------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
Make Aliyah! Join the club! Add "Make Aliyah" to your sig and get 20% off* on my first book. *Restrictions Apply |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:42 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12,951 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
Possible. But in time we would learn how to eliminate sickness too. (Again by tinkering with genetic code and putting up better defenses and perhaps pro-active offenses on the mutating bacterial and viral infections). If you view the human body as a machine, then there is no fundamental reason why it should be mortal. Take your car, for example...another machine. What's to stop you from continually repairing it and replacing the worn out parts, and having it work forever? I don't know. These genetic cures are still in infancy, maybe we are assuming too much... But it's certainly more possible than ever. It would be awesome when it happens. -------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:43 PM
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Aug 12 2008, 12:44 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,491 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
-------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
Make Aliyah! Join the club! Add "Make Aliyah" to your sig and get 20% off* on my first book. *Restrictions Apply |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:45 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 12,951 Joined: 16-September 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 1,838 |
-------------------- Kabel et ha-emet mi-mi she-omro.
"All is by the hand of Heaven, except colds and fevers" -Ketubot 30a. Why won't my wife let me pee against the fence when we have company for a barbecue? -melech ~My Blog~ |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:45 PM
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Aug 12 2008, 12:48 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 7,491 Joined: 2-September 04 From: Back HOME! W00t! Member No.: 660 |
I don't know. These genetic cures are still in infancy, maybe we are assuming too much... But it's certainly more possible than ever. It would be awesome when it happens. Why? Haven't you ever watch StarTrek. The Q aren't very happy at all... but totally bored having experienced everything life has to offer ad nausium. More years to do mitzvos? But if you never died, you'd never be rewarded. -------------------- There are a number of ideas that literally form the backbone of Judaism. Without knowledge of these ideas, it is virtually impossible to know how Judaism came to be as it is today, or how it functions. Unfortunately, however, the more important the idea, the less the average person knows about it. - Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Handbook of Jewish Thought
Make Aliyah! Join the club! Add "Make Aliyah" to your sig and get 20% off* on my first book. *Restrictions Apply |
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Aug 12 2008, 12:52 PM
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