Do you believe there is any truth to the following statement:

"The child of baalei tshuva parents is more likely to go OTD than the child of FFB parents."

Discuss

Yes.

1. Kids of BTs have secular relatives who they likely respect and love. They see that they live moral, upright lives without being frum.

1a. They're always the ones who have to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at the gatherings where everyone else is having pizza.

1b. If they ever do decide to go OTD, they have a welcoming extended family to join rather than being total outcasts.

2. Kids of BTs know that their parents religiosity was a choice they made. Why shouldn't they get to make the choice for themselves?

3. Many BTs bring their kids up with many of the ideas and attitudes they were brought up with - it's often accidental but it's still a factor.

Equal.
The inclination to change culture can be inherited, but often in kids of BTs it results in them being even better than kids of FFBs, they can withstand pressures others don't. Additionally, BTs tend to be better parents than FFBs.
Kids of FFBs are more likely to find the answers they are given unsatisfactory and to resent problems being pushed under the rug, which happens more often with FFB parents.

Of course, I am generalizing terribly, and in the end it's the same with a higher percentage of kids from FFB families going OTD.

Absolutely
HOW much more likely I don't know, but I believe the statistic is true...

congratulations, you're an idiot

1. so do frum kids have secular relatives.
1a. This happens with 'health freaks' also.
2. Kids of frum assume 'they're parents don't have a clue what is out there'
3. Why is that bad?

1. Only if those relatives went OTD. BT parents are the ones who changed in their families. Everyone else was perfectly happy being not frum and THEY made the change by deciding to become frum.
1a. Yes, and many children of health freaks do not continue with the lifestyle as adults.
2. What does that have to do with what I said?
3. It's not. It just means that the kids are brought up with some "outside influences" that may be a factor in why they are unsatisfied with being frum later on.

Is it possible that these are purely personal experiences, ones that may very well not apply to the typical child of Baalei T'shuva parents?

I actually feel that children from FFB households may be more likely to go OTD. In my experience, BT households are more likely to focus on the beauty and specialness of Judiasm and imparts the need for making religion a personal experience. On the other hand, I have found that FFB households typically practice religion by rote and don't always impart a sense of excitement and joy of the religion to their children.


That is a rather interesting statement. Care to elaborate?

In my personal experience working with both sorts of families, the BT parents tend to be better educated (so they recognize, acknowledge, and treat developmental issues quicker and with less denial), more open to correction (because they're a bit unsure of themselves and want to make sure they are doing the right thing), and enthusiastic about Yiddishkeit and their children's education (because it's something they deeply want and are conscious of, and that gets passed on to the kids).

1. Nope. I have many non-frum relatives, some or second cousins whose parents and grandparents were never frum.
1a. I disagree that that's the source of a problem. Also, I try to make sure to be 'safe' in such a situation
2. You are saying that BTs kids say 'you got a turn to be OTD'. I'm saying the frum kids say 'you guys are clueless of what the 'real world' is about
3. I disagree, sometimes outside influences help shape a person and I see no reason to hide one's past from one's children. I think it's important for them to see the whole picture of who ones' parent is.

1. It's different when it's just a few second cousins. I'm talking ALL your grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins.
1a. What do you mean?
2. They can say that but many frum parents grew up before the age of hyper-frumness and know exactly what's out there. And they can show that to their kids.
3. Of course they help shape a person. That was part of my point.

1. Not if you have more contact (i.e. are neighbors, see at all events) with second cousins than with grandparents (across the ocean)

I think my point is that both happen, unfortunately, and both have their reasons. Just like I tried telling krum the other day, adults make choices for many reasons. Parents are not the only factor, although it may be one of many factors. But as an adult, they weigh their options and choose what they feel is most appropriate for them. Having BT or FFB parents plays little role, imo.


Also, there are the BTs that you can smell from a mile away and the ones whom you would never guess if they didn't tell you.

Right, and we happen to be discussing that particular factor. I'm saying that in general, children of BTs are more likely to go OTD and I explained the reasons why I think so.

I understand, but personally, I think you're reasons don't hold water in the argument as you can bring the exact opposite point from the FFB side.