Hello everyone,

The Wikipedia article on the 'Three Oaths' is currently under construction. Thus far there are two Jews working on it: Me, presenting mostly the religious Zionist view, and another Jew, who apparently subscribes to the position of the Satmar Rav, and is strongly anti-Zionist.

As my knowledge regarding this topic is limited and I have next to no access to reliable sources relating to it, I have decided to call on anyone here who is interested in helping out to please sign up on Wikipedia and help us out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Oaths

Note: PLEASE try to remain apolitical. Simply present the positions of other reliable authorities - refrain from original research or your own interpretations.

Thank you.

Oh, and for this thread, share your thoughts on the Three Oaths. Do you consider them to be binding Halakha? If so, why? If not, why not? What is their significance today?

Why oh Why would you write a wiki article about a subject you know absolutely nothing about?

it's wikipedia, silly. that's just what people do.

It seems MizrahiZionist would like to attract attention of the others to this theme. And although I am ignorant in religion I think this theme is interesting and suitable for Wikipedia.

Two things:

1) I didn't say I know "nothing about" the subject. In fact I explicitly said I was presenting the religious Zionist position. What I did was invite you to help in order to expand the article and make it more balanced. If you're not interested, that's fine, I don't particularly care. Everything I write, I cite sources for.

2) The whole thing began with me translating the Hebrew article to English, and from there there were arguments since the Israeli Wikipedia inadequately presents the anti-Zionist position.

Anyway, I would ask you to refrain from making baseless judgments about me. I don't appreciate it.

MizrahiZionist, if all you know is the RZ opinion on the matter, your article in wikipedia, should be on the RZ view of the Shvuos. Looking at the article, I can say that it is highly inaccurate.

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Because these are not literal oaths of a person in front of another person?

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1. Because we don't learn halacha from Aggadic passages in the Talmud, and (despite what the Satmar Rebbe may have thought) NO major poskim explicitly codify these 3 oaths as halacha... What siman in Shulchan Aruch, or chapter in Mishne Torah are the 3 Oaths brought down in??? You would think such an important issue would be mentioned somewhere...
2. They are vague and VERY subject to interpretation. What does "Laalos b'Chomah" mean??? And how does one define Hisgarus B'Umos????
3. The third oath is to the GOYIM not to afflict us TOO much, and according to some, if they break their side of the deal, we are released from OUR obligation....

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We have discussed this before. But will repeat whats been said.
1. Even if it is agada, the agada says not to do it. So just because its not a issur drabanan, dosnt mean its the right thing to do. Otherwise why would the agada say not to do it.
2. If one looks at the gemara this is taken from (though usually no one who discusses this here actually does look) you will see that it is quite explicitly said as a halacha, not only an agada.
3. There is absolutely no evidence in any meforesh, that the shvuos of jew and non jew, are linked. One would think that at least some raya should be brought to say such a novelty.
4. There are major poskim who explicitly assur this. Rabeinu Haparchi is one of a few.

Im not writing the article alone... There are a bunch of people working on it...

EDIT: and if there are inaccuracies in the article feel free to correct them with reliable sources.

That was in front of G-d and Moses his servant. Plus, anyhow, our Torah obligation stems from Purim.

What Torah obligation?

a proposed obligation to keep the Torah.

(Sorry that it's off-topic- but why is the Purim obligation more valid than the original we will do and we will listen- if I understand you correctly!?)