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post Aug 14 2008, 10:52 PM
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I decided I want to write an article to be published. I've chosen copyright in halachah. This relates to my library studies. Any marah mkomos that can be provided both here or to me in my pm box are appreciated.
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post Aug 15 2008, 05:05 AM
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QUOTE (motcha @ Aug 14 2008, 11:52 PM) *
I decided I want to write an article to be published. I've chosen copyright in halachah. This relates to my library studies. Any marah mkomos that can be provided both here or to me in my pm box are appreciated.
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Here ya go, motcha:

[attachment=2456:copyright.pdf]

The question of course is if it violates halachah for me to upload the article and for you to read it.
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post Aug 19 2008, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (motcha @ Aug 14 2008, 11:52 PM) *
I decided I want to write an article to be published. I've chosen copyright in halachah. This relates to my library studies. Any marah mkomos that can be provided both here or to me in my pm box are appreciated.
Motcha

Common error - you want mkomos, not marah mkomos....

That used to bother me in yeshiva.


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post Aug 19 2008, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (melech @ Aug 15 2008, 06:05 AM) *
Here ya go, motcha:

[attachment=2456:copyright.pdf]

The question of course is if it violates halachah for me to upload the article and for you to read it.

Oh, this drivel. R. Schneider made a remarkable butchery of the teshuvas Chasam Sofer.

Strictly speaking, motche's paper is going to be really short:
"There is no concept of copyright in Jewish law."


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QUOTE (Gabbe @ Aug 19 2008, 10:14 PM) *
Oh, this drivel. R. Schneider made a remarkable butchery of the teshuvas Chasam Sofer.

Strictly speaking, motche's paper is going to be really short:
"There is no concept of copyright in Jewish law."

I don't know whether to consider you arrogant, ignorant, or both.


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post Aug 19 2008, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Pure Myrrh @ Aug 19 2008, 10:16 PM) *
I don't know whether to consider you arrogant, ignorant, or both.

Consider me both. But first read the teshuvah he quotes and than tell me it says what he says it says. I actually spent a fun-filled four months on motche's project.


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post Aug 19 2008, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (Gabbe @ Aug 19 2008, 10:29 PM) *
Consider me both. But first read the teshuvah he quotes and than tell me it says what he says it says. I actually spent a fun-filled four months on motche's project.

I don't have the patience, but I'll take your word on it and trust your judgment. So that just leaves arrogant.


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post Aug 19 2008, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (Pure Myrrh @ Aug 19 2008, 10:35 PM) *
I don't have the patience, but I'll take your word on it and trust your judgment. So that just leaves arrogant.

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post Aug 19 2008, 09:50 PM
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In a nutshell, the problem is that people don't understand what a copyright is. Copyright is a certain right of ownership which says "what I make is mine." What the Chasam Sofer and others are protecting is not an inherent right in the work, but the publisher's (or in the case of R. Heidenheim, author) investment. This is called "unfair competition."


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post Nov 2 2008, 11:58 PM
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How's this project coming along?


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So, Motcha, does halacha recognize intellectual property? I yes, how? If no, how does halacha address the resulting disincentivitazion in research and development? In other words how do you refute the argument that without intellectual property rights no one will bother to find the cure for cancer?


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post Nov 4 2008, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Pure Myrrh @ Aug 19 2008, 09:18 PM) *
Common error - you want mkomos, not marah mkomos....

That used to bother me in yeshiva.

It's a bit like mayim achroinim vasser. "marah mkomos" makes sense, "mkomos" doesn't.

About copying music (not sure how relevant this is)
http://www.mostlymusic.com/faqdesk_index.php?faqPath=14


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post Nov 4 2008, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (mosheshmeal @ Nov 4 2008, 10:21 PM) *
It's a bit like mayim achroinim vasser. "marah mkomos" makes sense, "mkomos" doesn't.

About copying music (not sure how relevant this is)
http://www.mostlymusic.com/faqdesk_index.php?faqPath=14

This is basically what the Chasam Sofer said in his famous teshuvah, but it's not a copyright.


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