Preemie spontaneously breathes hours after pronounced dead |
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Preemie spontaneously breathes hours after pronounced dead |
Aug 18 2008, 03:06 PM
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A medical miracle or gross negligence? A premature baby girl, born as a result of induced labor, was pronounced dead Monday at the Western Galilee Hospital in Nahariya, only to be discovered, by chance, as has having viable vital signs five hours later.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3584270,00.html -------------------- Eurovision Thread
QUOTE "If the black hats feel their beliefs will not permit them to observe the small courtesies and rituals that oil the wheels of civic life on occasions where they volunteer to interact with their fellow citizens, then let them stay in their self-wrought ghettoes and eschew public life altogether. They can't have it both ways". Barbara Kay Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government |
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Aug 18 2008, 03:10 PM
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I hate to say it, but that early in the pregnancy, they're going to wish the baby had been dead. . .
you don't even want to think about what happens to kids like that. they're never right again. I HATE it when that happens. -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 18 2008, 03:21 PM
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I hate to say it, but that early in the pregnancy, they're going to wish the baby had been dead. . . you don't even want to think about what happens to kids like that. they're never right again. I HATE it when that happens. I find the above post quite offensive. Even parents of severely handicapped children do not "wish them dead." However, it seems that the parents were trying to abort the fetus in this particular case: QUOTE A second-trimester termination procedure, done in this case in the 23rd week of pregnancy, is done by inducing labor
-------------------- "But it's a dry heat."
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Aug 18 2008, 03:25 PM
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I find the above post quite offensive. Even parents of severely handicapped children do not "wish them dead." However, it seems that the parents were trying to abort the fetus in this particular case: thats because the parents are selfish and inconsiderate. the child, would in all likelihood have rather died on the table. the child, will be misserable, unhappy, and unable to live anything remotely resembling a normal life. it would be a postive if the child ended up a vegatable, incapable of realizing how limited and damaged they, in point of indesputible fact, are. if the child is not a vegetable, then the child has nothing but a life of dependance, inferiority, missery, and watching all of his/her siblings, and everyone else moving on to bigger and better things when they (in all likelihood) cannot even get past 4th grade! arizona, this child has no future to speak of. this child will be misserable fro mthe time that they are born until the time that they die, if they are self aware enough to feel such an emotion as missery. if they're not a total vegatable. -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 18 2008, 03:33 PM
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I dont know until how far along abortions are legal in Israel so I clicked on the link hoping for more information. My impression from the article is that they where told her fetus had no pulse and therefore they scheduled the second-trimester termination procedure.
-------------------- Abba: I'm going to be up on the roof so if you hear a thump...
Nechama: Should I come running? Abba: By that point its probably too late and you should call hatzalah |
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Aug 18 2008, 03:37 PM
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you don't even want to think about what happens to kids like that. they're never right again. I HATE it when that happens. There are at least 2-3 recent, well-documented cases where the baby was born at about 20 weeks (and whom no one expected to live) and while they spent the first few months in the hospital, are now happy, thriving, chubby kids with everything going for them. Two I can think of happened in Britain in the last few years. -------------------- "Life is a combination of magic and pasta." -Federico Fellini |
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Aug 18 2008, 03:41 PM
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I hate to say it, but that early in the pregnancy, they're going to wish the baby had been dead. . . you don't even want to think about what happens to kids like that. they're never right again. I HATE it when that happens. I'm trying to thing of something to say to you without cursing you out but I'm at loss for words. I agree with Arizona -------------------- I've come to think of Europe as a hardcover book, America as the paperback version.
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Aug 18 2008, 03:47 PM
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I'm trying to thing of something to say to you without cursing you out but I'm at loss for words. I agree with Arizona and I'm having a hard time thinking of anything to say without cursing the both of you out for your irresponsible selfishness too, so its mutual. but then on, I'm speaking as someone who nearly died in the process of being born, and for the vast majority of my life rather wish they'd given me up for dead, so I kinda sympathize with the kid rather than the parents, if thats such a crime. -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 18 2008, 03:50 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
I find the above post quite offensive. Even parents of severely handicapped children do not "wish them dead." That's a generalization. There are parents of even moderately handicapped children who feel their child's predicament is too harsh and it would have been better for the child never to have been born. Then there are parents of even severely handicapped children who adamantly reject any hint at wishing their child had never been born. It's a typical medical "ethics" debate, with their usual Xtian undertones (for the pro-life side). |
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Aug 18 2008, 04:29 PM
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I hate to say it, but that early in the pregnancy, they're going to wish the baby had been dead. . . you don't even want to think about what happens to kids like that. they're never right again. I HATE it when that happens. I hate to say this, but I think that reading this makes me wish that you.... Forget it. I won't go there. You've outdone yourself outspoken. That's a first! thats because the parents are selfish and inconsiderate. the child, would in all likelihood have rather died on the table. the child, will be misserable, unhappy, and unable to live anything remotely resembling a normal life. it would be a postive if the child ended up a vegatable, incapable of realizing how limited and damaged they, in point of indesputible fact, are. if the child is not a vegetable, then the child has nothing but a life of dependance, inferiority, missery, and watching all of his/her siblings, and everyone else moving on to bigger and better things when they (in all likelihood) cannot even get past 4th grade! arizona, this child has no future to speak of. this child will be misserable fro mthe time that they are born until the time that they die, if they are self aware enough to feel such an emotion as missery. if they're not a total vegatable. Do you even realize what you are saying? Do you know how many children go on to lead normal productive lives? You sicken me. There are at least 2-3 recent, well-documented cases where the baby was born at about 20 weeks (and whom no one expected to live) and while they spent the first few months in the hospital, are now happy, thriving, chubby kids with everything going for them. Two I can think of happened in Britain in the last few years. I don't think at 20 weeks anyone survived. I think the earliest is at about 22 weeks. I know 22 week twins that are absolutely perfectly healthy, head to toe. Come and cry now outspoken. and I'm having a hard time thinking of anything to say without cursing the both of you out for your irresponsible selfishness too, so its mutual. but then on, I'm speaking as someone who nearly died in the process of being born, and for the vast majority of my life rather wish they'd given me up for dead, so I kinda sympathize with the kid rather than the parents, if thats such a crime. Good, rather curse than write such &$^#&$%^*(@&#@^(* words. That's a generalization. There are parents of even moderately handicapped children who feel their child's predicament is too harsh and it would have been better for the child never to have been born. Then there are parents of even severely handicapped children who adamantly reject any hint at wishing their child had never been born. The parents of moderately handicapped children feel that way because of the child, or because of their own capability of coping? -------------------- Proud member of the "I don't always wait until I finish reading the thread to respond" club. ~~~~~~~~~~ As for me, I would rather be able to love things I cannot have, than to have things I'm not able to love. .~Merrit Malloy IMPVHO |
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Aug 18 2008, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE The tests indicated she was experiencing some intrauterine bleeding and that her fetus had no pulse. Her doctors then scheduled a second-trimester termination procedure, which was carried out on Monday morning.
-------------------- Proud member of the "I don't always wait until I finish reading the thread to respond" club. ~~~~~~~~~~ As for me, I would rather be able to love things I cannot have, than to have things I'm not able to love. .~Merrit Malloy IMPVHO |
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Aug 18 2008, 04:33 PM
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I hate to say this, but I think that reading this makes me wish that you.... Forget it. I won't go there. You've outdone yourself outspoken. That's a first! that I died on the table? yes, I do to. thank you, I'd be alot happier now if that had been the case! -------------------- "well has beruria spoken"
"be kind to the newbies, or Sporky R will come to get you." "when our dreams die, we die" ~Mrs. Ramen |
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Aug 18 2008, 04:34 PM
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Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 4,190 Joined: 6-March 05 Member No.: 1,237 |
The parents of moderately handicapped children feel that way because of the child, or because of their own capability of coping? Obviously because of the child. Believe it or not, not everyone feels that their child living in unbearable, excrutiating pain is in the child's best interest.
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Aug 18 2008, 04:37 PM
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I don't think anyone needs to curse anyone else.
Everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion. It sounds like Outspoken has a bit of a sensitive soul and can't bear the plight of such children. But it's really up to G-d Who created them and instilled in them a specific purpose. Not always are we to understand everything. Also, not always are they miserable. Many severely mentally and physically handicapped people are smiling and happier with what they have than ordinary people like we are who have a lot more but are seldom satisfied. It's hard to watch - I hear, but one never knows the outcome if he/she never tried to give it his/her best. Such children may prove to have more of a life than you think. -------------------- Good things come in little packages..............just like me!
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