Rambamists say that everyone's torahs are Possul because they are Gevil, but Rambam says Lechatchila you don't even NEED a KOSHER Torah as the mitzvah acourding to him is recitation,even b'lev

http://www.torah.org.il/advanced/weekly-ha...chayeisara.html

Are you asking a question on Rambamists or on the Teshuvos HaRambam?

Rambamists, you know the dudes that daven muslim style and call everyone kofer.

That's what I thought. In that case, why don't you do a little research, starting with the very link you posted rather than acting (and spelling) like a functional illiterate?

? i used spell check, English isn't my first language

Did you read the article (and, more importantly, the footnotes)?

What's gevil?

i assume you mean this?
8. Teshuvos ha-Rambam, Pe'er ha-Dor, 9. The fact that the Rambam seems to contradict himself in Hilchos Sefer Torah 10:1 is subject of much debate and there are various ways of resolving the contradiction.

it doesn't really explain much

It explains a lot. Did you bother to look at the Rambam Hilchos Sefer Torah Ch. 10? If you did, you'd see the people you so knowledgeably term "Rambamists" are not suddenly pulling things out of their tuches; they are following an explicit psak in the Mishneh Torah. The fact that this explicit psak is contradicted by a Teshuvos haRambam is not the fault of so-called "Rambamists;" it's a stirah in Rambam that must be dealt with. Which it is. In a little something called nosei keilim.

Yeah but true Rambamistim don't HOLD by any of the Nosei Keilim, except sometimes Rav Qua######h, when it is convenient......

I just went through what I believe is the Rambam's teshuvah (nos. 15-16 or 6, depending on how you count; no. 9 was about something completely different). It's page 7 of this PDF. There's a lot to say about it, but even if there wasn't, it seems that many teshuvos were written before the Mishneh Torah, so we could say that he was chozer bo. It's also obvious from the teshuvah that he was speaking about a bdieved situation.

But that's just the simple 5 cent answer. What I think is the real answer depends on reading what the Rambam says very carefully, and not what we want him to say.


In this case, true Rambamisten don't NEED any of the nosei keilim, since the Mishneh Torah says you need gewil, point-blank.

Two separate issues:

1. What is or is not a kacher sefer Torah

2. What is or is not acceptable for kiriat ha-Torah

No, the two separate issues are:

1. What is or is not a kosher Sefer Torah for the purpose of reading the Torah b'tzibbur; and
2. Whether a bracha made over a Sefer Torah unfit for public use is in fact a bracha levatala.

From rambamists i learnt it like what shemmy said,IE reading from a non kasher torah is still fullfiling the misswah of Qeriyath ha-tora

Nu, and i should magically have every sefer ever made? either way acourding to rambamist nothing rambam says is vague if,he didnt explicitly say something or other its for a diff

if its"Obiously bdieved" than why does the page say rambam says Lechatchila