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tenderloin & filet mignon, Kosher?
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post Aug 19 2008, 10:33 AM
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I thought these cuts were not kosher but I see them in the store? If it's not really filet mignon.....what is it?


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post Aug 19 2008, 10:43 AM
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It's not the real cut... it's whatever the butcher decides to call filet mignon.


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post Aug 19 2008, 10:44 AM
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Isn't that dishonest? Do you know what cut they usually use?

I've even been to restaurants where they have tenderloin steak.


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post Aug 19 2008, 11:03 AM
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It would be like advertising kosher pork chops. Filet mignon is a specific cut with a specific meaning in the industry. To advertise anything else as filet mignon is false advertising as well as ganeivas daas, as well as maris ayin.
Whoever is giving hashgacha needs to be slapped upside his head.


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post Aug 19 2008, 11:10 AM
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http://www.oudate.net/pdf/tt/5765/644.pdf
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The process of removal of the GID and other vessels is known as "Nikur" or "treibering". It is, in most cases, not economically feasible to remove the "gid". The whole hind section of the animal is generally sold as nonkosher (thereby removing the GID from the rest of the cow’s body). This is the standard practice in the U.S. In Israel, however, where there is not a so readily available nonkosher market, nikur is done. This means that some fancy hind cuts of meat are available to the kosher consumer. (Tenderloin, sirloin, porterhouse...)


http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/...ilet-mignon.htm
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Technically, filet mignon is as kosher as any other cut of meat. The problem with filet mignon is that it is located near the sciatic nerve, which is Biblically forbidden.1 Only a very skilled person can separate the forbidden nerve from the nearby kosher meat, in a process which is called "nikkur" ("tunneling, deveining"). Thus it's hard to find kosher filet mignon, especially in the United States, where I believe most slaughterhouses sell the hind portions of the cattle to non-kosher butchers -- but it does exist.

The same is true with rump and sirloin steaks, and leg of lamb.
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post Aug 19 2008, 11:23 AM
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So you think I'm really getting filet mignon? I doubt it.


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post Aug 19 2008, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (the Real Adiel @ Aug 19 2008, 12:23 PM) *
So you think I'm really getting filet mignon? I doubt it.

I think you should ask. If it was a really fancy restaurant I might be inclined to believe that you are.
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post Aug 19 2008, 11:36 AM
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Can a T-bone be trabored?
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post Aug 19 2008, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (Bezalel @ Aug 19 2008, 12:36 PM) *
Can a T-bone be trabored?

Yes.

http://oukosher.org/index.php/learn/article/treiboring
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To conclude: Technically, the only forbidden parts of a cow would be specific fats, membranes, cords, veins, blood and the Gid Hanoshe.

Given that broad a range, one would technically be permitted to eat any cut of meat when its forbidden parts have been excised. In practice however, in the USA, no meat from the animal’s hindquarters is sold as Kosher.*



*GF's note: Hmmm. Other sites don't make it sound so definite.
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post Aug 19 2008, 11:50 AM
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Don't high scale restaurants like Las Marais serve Filet Mignon???


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post Aug 19 2008, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 19 2008, 12:50 PM) *
Don't high scale restaurants like Las Marais serve Filet Mignon???

Not that it says on their menu. Not Solo or Abigail's, either.

Prime Grill has a "T" Bone Steak on the menu -- yes, the T is in quotation marks, which would lead me to believe that it's not a real T-Bone. Because they also have Maryland Style "Crab" Cakes on the menu. And I'm highly confident that it's not real crab cakes. biggrin.gif

TRA, what restaurants are you referring to that had filet mignon on the menu?
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post Aug 19 2008, 04:04 PM
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I have not seen a filet mignon on a menu, I saw it at the supermarket.
I have seen Tenderloin steaks on numerous menus. I last saw it at Noah's Ark.

I did eat recently at Glatt-ala-cart (food was outstanding despite the corny name) and they served a filet something-else.


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post Aug 19 2008, 05:11 PM
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If I am not mistaken, Ashkenazi custom is not to trabor the hindquarters. This was an issue in the "shchita crisis" of the 1930s.


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post Aug 19 2008, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (the Real Adiel @ Aug 19 2008, 05:04 PM) *
I have not seen a filet mignon on a menu, I saw it at the supermarket.
I have seen Tenderloin steaks on numerous menus. I last saw it at Noah's Ark.

Hmm.

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I did eat recently at Glatt-ala-cart (food was outstanding despite the corny name) and they served a filet something-else.

They've got Filet au Poivre listed on their website. "Filet" just means a boneless piece of something. You can have a filet of fish, too, after all.
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post Aug 19 2008, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 19 2008, 06:51 PM) *
They've got Filet au Poivre listed on their website.


That's the one, one of the best pieces of meat I've had in a long time.

QUOTE (Goldfish @ Aug 19 2008, 06:51 PM) *
They've got Filet au Poivre listed on their website. "Filet" just means a boneless piece of something. You can have a filet of fish, too, after all.


Comes from the short loin


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post Aug 19 2008, 06:10 PM
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Here you can see a few tenderloin steaks.

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Wolf & Lamb have a filet mignon on their menu.


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post Aug 19 2008, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (the Real Adiel @ Aug 19 2008, 07:10 PM) *
Wolf & Lamb have a filet mignon on their menu.

So if you went there, I'd ask if it was real filet mignon. I wouldn't assume one way or another.


(As an aside, they also have a Sloppy Joe sandwich on their menu! laugh.gif)
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post Aug 19 2008, 08:50 PM