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Shechita Mide'oreisah?
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post Aug 19 2008, 02:30 PM
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If shechitah is not mi'deoraisah, and you must eat meat for survival and theres no shechita available, is there a next best method for killing the animal? Is say, strangulation better than decapitation for a chicken?


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post Aug 19 2008, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 19 2008, 03:30 PM) *
If shechitah is not mi'deoraisah, and you must eat meat for survival and theres no shechita available, is there a next best method for killing the animal? Is say, strangulation better than decapitation for a chicken?


I fail to see how the question of whether shehitah is d'Oraita or d'Rabbanan is related to a question regarding needing to eat meat to preserve one's life. Halachically, one is permitted to eat food that is not kacher in cases of pikuah nefesh.


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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 19 2008, 03:30 PM) *
If shechitah is not mi'deoraisah, and you must eat meat for survival and theres no shechita available, is there a next best method for killing the animal? Is say, strangulation better than decapitation for a chicken?


Is strangulating the chicken inhumane? What does PETA say about it?


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Scheita may not be D'oarisa but choking your chicken IS......


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QUOTE (Kalashnikover_Rebbe @ Aug 19 2008, 07:39 AM) *
Scheita may not be D'oarisa but choking your chicken IS......

Is it really?


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post Aug 19 2008, 02:55 PM
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tzar ballei chayim. if you have no other food sources you probably should take a knife and slaughter the animal in a manner similar to shechita.

if you have vegatables available then you may not be alowed to eat the meat, I would think.

I'm not at all boki in the laws of shechita.


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post Aug 19 2008, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (outspoken @ Aug 19 2008, 07:55 AM) *
tzar ballei chayim. if you have no other food sources you probably should take a knife and slaughter the animal in a manner similar to shechita.

if you have vegatables available then you may not be alowed to eat the meat, I would think.

I'm not at all boki in the laws of shechita.

Aren't the secular methods more humane?


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post Aug 19 2008, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE (Shemmy @ Aug 19 2008, 10:35 PM) *
I fail to see how the question of whether shehitah is d'Oraita or d'Rabbanan is related to a question regarding needing to eat meat to preserve one's life.

Same here.


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post Aug 19 2008, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 19 2008, 04:03 PM) *
Aren't the secular methods more humane?

that properly done shechita? Not according to peta.

peta chose to attack rubashkin specificaly because peta had previously endorsed shechita as one of the only acceptable ways to kill an animal.

in doing so they struck a far deeper wedge in peoples consciousnesses than if they had struck a non-jewish slaughter house.

and why is rubashkin's slaughter house so inhumane? partialy because of the way that they put the animals on their backs. a behama gassah isn't used to being picked up and put on its back, or to being hung up so that its head is facing downwards. this causes the animal not only to be flooded with addreniline, but it further causes the blood to pool in the head and prevents the animal from properly passing out.

from what most doctors have told me, shechita done in a humane fashion, with the animal supported but upside up, will cause the animal to A feel no pain and B black out before they even realize what is going on.

there is a reason for the apocryphal stories of shochtim realizing that they cut off the tip of their finger hours after they'd actualy done the deed.


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QUOTE (outspoken @ Aug 19 2008, 08:18 AM) *
peta chose to attack rubashkin specificaly because peta had previously endorsed shechita as one of the only acceptable ways to kill an animal.

Source?


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post Aug 19 2008, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (RebPropagandist @ Aug 19 2008, 04:24 PM) *
Source?

I saw the article pre-internet.

this was years ago. in the 90s, and where I saw it may have even been from the 80s.

the attack on rubashkin wasn't in order to hurt jews, but because shechita is generaly understood to be very humane. (at least from a scientific perspective.)


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