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 Mar 11 2005, 02:15 PM
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If, when we pray relying on our own merit, our prayers are granted on someone else's merit, and vice versa; doesn't this provide an easy out for a rasha - they could just pray on their own merit and know that their prayers will be granted according to the merit of the Avot, or Moshe Rabeinu, or some tremendous tzaddik. How is this just?
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Mar 11 2005, 02:22 PM
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Gabbai  Group: Members Posts: 582 Joined: 8-March 05 Member No.: 1,252 |
QUOTE (yadfothgildloc @ Mar 11 2005, 02:15 PM) If, when we pray relying on our own merit, our prayers are granted on someone else's merit, and vice versa; doesn't this provide an easy out for a rasha - they could just pray on their own merit and know that their prayers will be granted according to the merit of the Avot, or Moshe Rabeinu, or some tremendous tzaddik. How is this just?  Could it be that such a case wouldnt really work becuase the rasha probably wouldnt get his prayers answered because of echta vashuv, he doesnt get the teshuvah because he's working the system of Torah for the wrong reasons. I'm assuming this rasha will then go back to being a rasha and as such his prayers wont be answered. -------------------- |
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Mar 11 2005, 02:25 PM
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Thor's Day Group: Members Posts: 4,690 Joined: 9-December 04 Member No.: 898 |
QUOTE (Chai18 @ Mar 11 2005, 03:22 PM) QUOTE (yadfothgildloc @ Mar 11 2005, 02:15 PM) If, when we pray relying on our own merit, our prayers are granted on someone else's merit, and vice versa; doesn't this provide an easy out for a rasha - they could just pray on their own merit and know that their prayers will be granted according to the merit of the Avot, or Moshe Rabeinu, or some tremendous tzaddik. How is this just? Could it be that such a case wouldnt really work becuase the rasha probably wouldnt get his prayers answered because of echta vashuv, he doesnt get the teshuvah because he's working the system of Torah for the wrong reasons. I'm assuming this rasha will then go back to ebing a rasha and as such his prayers wont be answered. Alright. -------------------- παθει μαθος
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Mar 11 2005, 05:19 PM
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 Godol Hador Group: Members Posts: 3,888 Joined: 24-June 03 Member No.: 101 |
QUOTE (yadfothgildloc @ Mar 11 2005, 02:15 PM) If, when we pray relying on our own merit, our prayers are granted on someone else's merit, and vice versa; doesn't this provide an easy out for a rasha - they could just pray on their own merit and know that their prayers will be granted according to the merit of the Avot, or Moshe Rabeinu, or some tremendous tzaddik. How is this just? Maybe prayer might brings a rasha to do teshuva, so a rasha should never be discouraged from praying. |
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