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#1 Anonymous ben Kalonymous

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 09:37 AM

What is the halacha for dropping tefillin? Does it apply only if you drop them uncovered, or does it still apply even if they're in a bag, a lined bag, or a bag within a bag?

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:40 PM

You should pick them up!

It's not half the problem if the're in the cover, even better if they are in a bag as well [Kis B'toch Kis].

Some suggest putting some money in the Pushka as sort od an "attonement".

If they fell hard, and got beaten up nicely, you may wanna stop be the Sofer to make sure everything is OK.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:44 PM

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:46 PM

When I dropped my tefilin once in 8th grade, my rebbi told me to give the value of a meal to tzeddaka.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:54 PM

You should pick them up!

It's not half the problem if the're in the cover, even better if they are in a bag as well [Kis B'toch Kis].

Some suggest putting some money in the Pushka as  sort od an "attonement".

If they fell hard, and got beaten up nicely, you may wanna stop be the Sofer to make sure everything is OK.

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nothing about fasting for the day?

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Right. My ingrained Chabad education made the automatic switch from fasting to Tzedaka. [See Tanya Iggeres HaTeshuva]

Thank you for pointing that out.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:18 PM

I thought fasting for a day was only when a sefer Torah falls?

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:22 PM

I thought fasting for a day was only when a sefer Torah falls?

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thats 40 days.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:29 PM

I thought fasting for a day was only when a sefer Torah falls?

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thats 40 days.

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Really?

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:30 PM

I thought fasting for a day was only when a sefer Torah falls?

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thats 40 days.

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Really?

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yup.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:32 PM

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:33 PM

I thought fasting for a day was only when a sefer Torah falls?

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thats 40 days.

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Really?

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yup.

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Wrong. You do not fast 40 days(!) if a sefer Torah falls.

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:35 PM

I thought fasting for a day was only when a sefer Torah falls?

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thats 40 days.

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Really?

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yup.

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Wrong. You do not fast 40 days(!) if a sefer Torah falls.

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I usually do. Its wrong?
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:40 PM

You've fasted 40 days? Was it an ibbur Ramadan?

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:42 PM


Wrong. You do not fast 40 days(!) if a sefer Torah falls.

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I usually do. Its wrong?

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How many sifrei Torah have you seen fall?

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:42 PM

You've fasted 40 days? Was it an ibbur Ramadan?

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That would be more like 60 days.

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:42 PM

You've fasted 40 days? Was it an ibbur Ramadan?

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That would be more like 60 days.

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Maybe there was a machlokes imamim so he split the difference.

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:44 PM


Wrong. You do not fast 40 days(!) if a sefer Torah falls.

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I usually do. Its wrong?

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How many sifrei Torah have you seen fall?

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B'h none, thats due mostly since I dont want to waste away to nothingness so I try to position myself within catching range of the torah.
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:47 PM


Wrong. You do not fast 40 days(!) if a sefer Torah falls.

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I usually do. Its wrong?

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How many sifrei Torah have you seen fall?

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In my elementry school an 8th grader tripped when carrying the Torah back to the Arron... he managed to hold the Torah upright but the handles hit the ground. They made every one fast till chaztos. (I think the Rabbaim fasted the whole day.)

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:49 PM

What happens if it falls down inside the aron? ( it actually happened once)
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:49 PM

You've fasted 40 days? Was it an ibbur Ramadan?

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That would be more like 60 days.

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Maybe there was a machlokes imamim so he split the difference.

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That would make 45 days.




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