Minhag Vs. Chumra How To Tell The Difference...
#1
Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:52 PM
On Pesach, many people refrain from eating Gebrokts (Matzoh that comes in contact with any form of moisture that contains water).
For many people this would seem to be a Chumra, as this would mean that the person is being super careful to avoid chometz.
For many Chassidim, it is merely a Minhag and nothing more. It is not being done to be more careful; it is being done as a minhag based on a specific philosophy.
Can we say that most minhagim are actually chumros? Or that most chumros are minhagim? Are they totally different? If so, what's the difference for them regarding Maaseh B'poel? Should we act on them differently and how do we know which one is which?
#2
Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:57 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 12:52 PM, said:
On Pesach, many people refrain from eating Gebrokts (Matzoh that comes in contact with any form of moisture that contains water).
For many people this would seem to be a Chumra, as this would mean that the person is being super careful to avoid chometz.
For many Chassidim, it is merely a Minhag and nothing more. It is not being done to be more careful; it is being done as a minhag based on a specific philosophy.
Can we say that most minhagim are actually chumros? Or that most chumros are minhagim? Are they totally different? If so, what's the difference for them regarding Maaseh B'poel? Should we act on them differently and how do we know which one is which?
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#3
Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:58 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 12:52 PM, said:
For many Chassidim, it is merely a Minhag and nothing more. It is not being done to be more careful; it is being done as a minhag based on a specific philosophy.
One clue would be to trace the sources back. In this case, I would look at what the Shulchan Aruch HaRav says and how he characterizes this practice. And low and behold, he himself calls it a "chumra". That's on clue right there.
#4
Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:59 PM
melech, on Feb 13 2006, 12:58 PM, said:
melech,
Do you have Chovas Daas handy ?
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#6
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:09 PM
melech, on Feb 13 2006, 09:58 AM, said:
It is a known fact within Lubavitch that what the Alter-Rebbe writes in the Shulchan-Aruch is for technical halacha for the world at large and in no way dictates what the practice within Lubavitch itself actually is. For more info, see the various differences between what the Alter-Rebbe writes in Shulchan Aruch and what he writes in his siddur (printes in many editions of the Tehilas HaShem).
Anyways, that's just an example. I want to know, in general, if there is a way to classify them and if so, what would be the practical difference between them?
#7
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:13 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 01:09 PM, said:
One practical difference would be the mechanism for stopping the practice. I'd imagine a minhag would require hatarat nedarim and a chumra, if you mistakenly thought was required, would not require hatarat nedarim when you stop doing it.
Also, if the chumra weren't widespread, you'd have trouble doing it in public because of issues of yohora. As opposed to a minhag.
#8
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:16 PM
#9
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:19 PM
#16
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:29 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 01:25 PM, said:
mmmm kasha
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#17
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:29 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 01:27 PM, said:
I'm not asking, I'm discussing...
I answered you before and said a minhag does not become a chumra and vice versa. You commented that it is the issue at hand. So I solved the problem what is there to discuss!
#18
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:35 PM
Moshi, on Feb 13 2006, 10:29 AM, said:
Various chassidim and non-chassidim have this minhag/chumra. I think most, from both sides, eat Gebrokts, though.
skifree, on Feb 13 2006, 10:29 AM, said:
You haven't provided any satisfying explanation to backup your statement yet.
I'm waiting....
#19
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:56 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 08:35 PM, said:
NO chassidim that I know of eat gebrokts, at least not "officially".
Besides this is hardly the only insane minhag for pesach.
Some people don't eat fish, others stay away from chicken, many don't eat milchigs. Some refuse to use any oil except shmaltz etc...
#20
Posted 13 February 2006 - 01:57 PM
rashi613, on Feb 13 2006, 01:35 PM, said:
You haven't provided any satisfying explanation to backup your statement yet.
I'm waiting....
You and everyone else! Sorry keep waiting to be satisfied.

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