[geshtunken]

you know, all this talk of leaving satmer....THATS IT!! ive had enought too, im leaving! give my shtreimel to a needy choosid dear, and my gartel to the sefardic hasidic garb gemach. geshtunken no more, i shall now be.........?

[Nechama]

Gosh?
Geremy?
Stham?
or
Ken?

[reelee23]

Stinky?

[joeleeraa]

exsatmar, on Dec 15 2003, 06:43 PM, said:

Whoa sorry I've been pretty busy today. The substituting job went over pretty well thank the good L-rd. Ok, I'm not sure where to begin really. I obviously created a stir and thats not neccesarily a bad thing.

No I've never been here before. I was directed to this site from http://www.frumforum.com

I was just checking out that website and this one we got is WAY better!!!
We rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Opus]

exsatmar, on Dec 16 2003, 07:16 PM, said:

Ok maybe it's a form of self therapy. What's wrong with a support group where each one relates to the other on the same level?

It might actually help many people become more comfortable with being frum in a non-Satmar way. Seriously. This could be a very good thing if it is led by someone with yiras shamayim.

[kitty]

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Secondly as we speak there are thousands of boys like me out there, sure they might still have the peyos and hat but they feel trapped in a life they do not want to live. If I can reach and help even one of them, it's all worthwhile.

I think, that with leading sucha group, you will "tee oop" more than "tee ofe". As long as a guy is still in his chassidish garb, is a "halba tzura". Could you imagine how sad the parents of sucha guy will be if he suddenly changes 'uniform' etc? The beauty of a Jew is his innocence and to follow the traditions of his great/grand/parents. 'B'darkei avusainu'.

Why don't you just find glory in the place you belong?

[cynic]

kitty, on Dec 17 2003, 11:47 AM, said:

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Secondly as we speak there are thousands of boys like me out there, sure they might still have the peyos and hat but they feel trapped in a life they do not want to live. If I can reach and help even one of them, it's all worthwhile.

I think, that with leading sucha group, you will "tee oop" more than "tee ofe". As long as a guy is still in his chassidish garb, is a "halba tzura". Could you imagine how sad the parents of sucha guy will be if he suddenly changes 'uniform' etc? The beauty of a Jew is his innocence and to follow the traditions of his great/grand/parents. 'B'darkei avusainu'.

Why don't you just find glory in the place you belong?

I think most normal parents would want their children to be happy.

[gewdgal]

cynic, on Dec 17 2003, 12:08 PM, said:

kitty, on Dec 17 2003, 11:47 AM, said:

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Secondly as we speak there are thousands of boys like me out there, sure they might still have the peyos and hat but they feel trapped in a life they do not want to live. If I can reach and help even one of them, it's all worthwhile.

I think, that with leading sucha group, you will "tee oop" more than "tee ofe". As long as a guy is still in his chassidish garb, is a "halba tzura". Could you imagine how sad the parents of sucha guy will be if he suddenly changes 'uniform' etc? The beauty of a Jew is his innocence and to follow the traditions of his great/grand/parents. 'B'darkei avusainu'.

Why don't you just find glory in the place you belong?

I think most normal parents would want their children to be happy.

Being happy doesnt necessarily mean changing lifestyle.

I agree with what Kitty says. Although I'm not chassidsh, I do not see why somebody should want to change. I respect chassidim. On the other hand, I look down at chassidim that try to impress us by mingling or pretending they're more open minded. Each to their own.

[It's Me]

Chanie, on Dec 16 2003, 11:13 PM, said:

joeleeraa, on Dec 16 2003, 03:19 PM, said:

Is exsatmar really Mindy? They have the same hours and I have'nt seen them both on at the same time?
Just a guess.

Definitely NOT Mindy!

btw Where is Mindy?

[the Real Adiel]

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Nechama, what's the problem here? Why are you so tolerant of what should be repulsive to you, a frum person walking away from their minhagim and chumras, which I learned is NOT permitted, except in particular circumstances for beneficial reasons. If I were moderator here, I would cut this thread altogether.

The point of his forum is to discuss things, He is not spewing hatred, he is stating his point strongly and emotionally. Judaism has nothing to hide behind or anything to be scared of. If he is here to recruit, there are enough intelligent people on this bored to counter him.

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And anyone who does NOT have a strong emotional reaction against such a person, who came here spewing venom ("deadly tentacles"?!?) and openly trying to recruit others like himself in rejecting their upbringing, should wonder where your priorities lie.

I was actually thinking of inviting a friend of mine who is an atheist to this bored for some spirited conversation.

[DigiDigiDumDum]

It said:

btw Where is Mindy?

You must be kidding if you expected Mindy to respond to this thread.

[the Real Adiel]

chaim, on Dec 15 2003, 07:42 PM, said:

well about religous zionist & chabad what is the definition of religious & zionist ?
which comes first? like anyhting if you have your priorities messed up your messed up & unfort. to many people have zionism b4 religon
running around with a flag doesnt make you a zionist
in fact the israeli goverment in past & present times all to often were & are our biggest enemies (plz read perfidy)
& chabad well that is a whole new issue
& i know what i will say can hurt people but i believe it should be said
any1 who believes the rebbe is moshiach is a apikoras gamer
& is no different then a mr.j  believer

You sound like you live in Monsey

[Opus]

kitty, on Dec 17 2003, 11:47 AM, said:

The beauty of a Jew is his innocence and to follow the traditions of his great/grand/parents. 'B'darkei avusainu'.

That is very anti-intellectual of you. Many rishonim hold we have an obligation to examine everything and that innocence is a bedieved (at best).

[the Real Adiel]

exsatmar, on Dec 15 2003, 08:06 PM, said:

I am not going to even discuss the Meah Shearim people who spit at me when I passed by their neighborhood wearing my big Kippa Seruga. If sinaas chinam exists among Jews, I've seen it first hand. I know some of you will call me a hypocrite but I do not hate Jews i hate some of their ideas and their "leaders" who could and should know better.

I have many friends with srugies that visited me often in Meah Shearim, none of them had this happen to them.

[the Real Adiel]

It seems like exsatmar went from one extreme to the next, gotto find some middle ground

[the Real Adiel]

I actually started a post which might explain exsatmars extreme emotional anger

http://www.hashkafah...?showtopic=1983

[kitty]

Opus, on Dec 17 2003, 01:07 PM, said:

kitty, on Dec 17 2003, 11:47 AM, said:

The beauty of a Jew is his innocence and to follow the traditions of his great/grand/parents. 'B'darkei avusainu'.

That is very anti-intellectual of you. Many rishonim hold we have an obligation to examine everything and that innocence is a bedieved (at best).

An obligation to examine, but yet follow

Our parents were smarter than we are nowadays. Don't look for a new derech.

Also, most of the poeple who try to find a new derech, end up either having charata or return at one point.

[politico]

kitty, on Dec 17 2003, 01:45 PM, said:

Also, most of the poeple who try to find a new derech, end up either having charata or return at one point.

do you have any evidence for that claim? i'm wondering how you know that much about "most of the people."

[Dina]

It is sooo unfortunate when kids aren't happy in their own home.

i know this boy that unfortunately (as TRA says) went from one extreme to the other. ( wearing a cross etc.) Anyway, he was drunk once, and was sitting on the steps of his house and yelling. There was a whole crowd gathered, and then he spotted a neighbor and yelled to him "yeah, you saw how my father hit me and you didn't do anything to stop him!"

[fuzzy]

DigiDigiDumDum, on Dec 17 2003, 01:03 PM, said:

It said:

btw Where is Mindy?

You must be kidding if you expected Mindy to respond to this thread.

maybe he is mindy.....