Rabbis To Travel On El Al To The Us request no women to be seen and tv screens covered in plastic, strict
#42
Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:33 PM
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#44
Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:41 PM
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 02:39 PM, said:
Or maybe they shouldn't act in a way which is a chillul hashem if people find out?
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#45
Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:50 PM
grend123, on May 9 2006, 02:41 PM, said:
Why make a fuss over nothing! Have u ever been on a recent El-Al flight, the whole 1st class is 6-8 seats max. so EL AL gave them 1st class. big deal. its ynet that twisted it to look like the taliban. when the tosher rebbe goes to europe ,they charter a jet for him. Its supposed to be a free country.
#46
Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:50 PM
grend123, on May 9 2006, 02:41 PM, said:
maybe people shouldn't publicize things that people may take as a chillul hashem.
it isn't a chillul hashem by the way. a chillul hashem is when you act in a way adverse to the torah and it reflects badly on god. If I walk around disneyland in long sleaves in the summer and people say crazy jews sweating themselves to death in the summer and think orthodox jews are crazy, I did not make a chillul hashem.
but then (don't take this as a personal attack, its just a statement) I remember that you are a hopless case. I will never convince you of anything and you wont convice me. so forget it.
#47
Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:54 PM
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 02:50 PM, said:
it isn't a chillul hashem by the way. a chillul hashem is when you act in a way adverse to the torah and it reflects badly on god. If I walk around disneyland in long sleaves in the summer and people say crazy jews sweating themselves to death in the summer and think orthodox jews are crazy, I did not make a chillul hashem.
It's a chillul hashem to ask El Al to hide women as if they were ervah by definition. Sorry, just is.
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 02:50 PM, said:
Certainly I don't take it personally; from you I take that as a compliment.
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 02:50 PM, said:
Indeed, because I am into rationalism and you are a classic demonstration of the facts that (1) higher average intelligence for Jews doesn't mean we don't have outliers and (2) a Beis Yaakov education is like fabric softener for the brain.
Do not feed your grend. It will only encourage it.
Al chet that a polish nobleman from the 18th century would not feel comfortable in my closet.
#48
Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:55 PM
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 01:50 PM, said:
it isn't a chillul hashem by the way. a chillul hashem is when you act in a way adverse to the torah and it reflects badly on god. If I walk around disneyland in long sleaves in the summer and people say crazy jews sweating themselves to death in the summer and think orthodox jews are crazy, I did not make a chillul hashem.
but then (don't take this as a personal attack, its just a statement) I remember that you are a hopless case. I will never convince you of anything and you wont convice me. so forget it.
It certainly isnt a Kiddush Hashem, to ban women flight attendants, to cover television screens with plastic and to buy out all seats in 1st class so as to ensure that no women are in sight.
#49
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:08 PM
Machmir, on May 9 2006, 02:55 PM, said:
for 1 flight women are not attending, 6 seats are bought out, and the screens are not flashing and annoying the passangers in first class. I've seen worse.
what you guys are missing is that these two rabbis have no interest in comeing here. they are doing us a favor (maybe not you, but then you arn't paying for it). they don't want to come for a few reasons. probably because they didn't want to see half dressed flight attendants or any flirty attendants at all. another reason because flights have tv screens playing (when I flew from israel it was bikini clad cameron diaz, on jumbo screen so the whole plane could see, with zoom ins- I understand them well).
so in order to get the rabbonim to agree to come, some people made a deal with elal that for one flight they would do these things, and then the rabbonim agreed to come.
I don't know that much about the rebbe, but R' Aryeh leib has many chumros that you wont even begin to understand. he is not asking you to adher to them. why are you telling him to change?
#50
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:18 PM
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 03:08 PM, said:
what you guys are missing is that these two rabbis have no interest in comeing here. they are doing us a favor (maybe not you, but then you arn't paying for it). they don't want to come for a few reasons. probably because they didn't want to see half dressed flight attendants or any flirty attendants at all. another reason because flights have tv screens playing (when I flew from israel it was bikini clad cameron diaz, on jumbo screen so the whole plane could see, with zoom ins- I understand them well).
so in order to get the rabbonim to agree to come, some people made a deal with elal that for one flight they would do these things, and then the rabbonim agreed to come.
I don't know that much about the rebbe, but R' Aryeh leib has many chumros that you wont even begin to understand. he is not asking you to adher to them. why are you telling him to change?
On the new planes they have screens on the back of each seat, and get this, if you don't want to watch the screen, you can turn it off. It's pretty amazing actually, you press a button and the screen just turns off. Pretty cool.
How much money did your gadol get from EJF/Tom Kaplan?
#51
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:24 PM
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 03:08 PM, said:
To be fair, flight attendants are well-dressed and always in uniform. Their uniforms are quite professional and modest (I don't recall if El Al attendants wear short sleeves or not).
#53
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:28 PM
trixies86, on May 9 2006, 01:00 PM, said:
this is the best way they can do it.
I don't know if this is the best they can do or not. However,t he point is true. No matter what the gedolim do there will be plenty of negative opinions from all the onlookers. Mostly because of the media. It is not the gerrer rebbr or r' al shteiman that made all of this info public but the annoying media. For all weknow they got their facts wrong as media is wont to do.
grend123, on May 9 2006, 01:12 PM, said:
Perhaps but is it the gedolim that caused the chillul Hashem or the news reporter(s)?
grend123, on May 9 2006, 01:12 PM, said:
I don't think they mind who serves them dinner. They don't want to have to watch these women in their "uniforms" that are intentionally made to look provacotive (sp?).
#54
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:29 PM
#55
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:32 PM
FYI, on May 9 2006, 03:28 PM, said:
Who is flying, the gedolim or the news reporters?
FYI, on May 9 2006, 03:28 PM, said:
Maybe in the 1950's.
How much money did your gadol get from EJF/Tom Kaplan?
#56
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:39 PM
FYI, on May 9 2006, 08:28 PM, said:
I don't think they mind who serves them dinner. They don't want to have to watch these women in their "uniforms" that are intentionally made to look provacotive (sp?).
1) it's only chillul hashem if there's a reporter to tell us about it?
2) if that's the case why not ask El Al to make sure the attendants were dressed correctly, rather than asking for no women to be present? And they don't want to see any Jewish woman passengers either.
Honestly, it reminds me of Muslim fundamentalists.
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#57
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:40 PM
NY-LON, on May 9 2006, 02:39 PM, said:
2) if that's the case why not ask El Al to make sure the attendants were dressed correctly, rather than asking for no women to be present? And they don't want to see any Jewish woman passengers either.
Honestly, it reminds me of Muslim fundamentalists.
I instantly thought of Saudi Arabia Airline, which I think until recently, only allowed male stewards.
#58
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:45 PM
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#59
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:50 PM
NY-LON, on May 9 2006, 03:39 PM, said:
2) if that's the case why not ask El Al to make sure the attendants were dressed correctly, rather than asking for no women to be present? And they don't want to see any Jewish woman passengers either.
Honestly, it reminds me of Muslim fundamentalists.
they are the Jewish version of the Taliban. how are these rabbis earning money so they can have 3 meals a day, a roof over thier head, pay El AL to express thier hatred of women, etc who is giving them money. i feel sorry for any women that are married to these cave men.
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government
#60
Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:54 PM

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