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#1 aishel

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:30 PM

Has anyone bought it yet?

You can listen to samples of all the songs here:
http://www.jewishjuk..._music/2107.asp

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 06:59 AM

Heyyyy I want this CD
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 10:17 AM

They still SELL CDs??? :ph34r:
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 10:23 AM

They still SELL CDs??? :ph34r:


As opposed to?

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 01:48 PM

Sounds really good...I should get it before my flight so that I actually have something to listen to...

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 03:45 PM

Has anyone bought it yet?

You can listen to samples of all the songs here:
http://www.jewishjuk..._music/2107.asp

I hold this to be assur during sefira/three weeks, and I'd like it if someone could explain why it should be allowed (please be knowledgeable about how this music is produced, thank you). It is essentially no different than other "synthesized" music. There was an old thread about this....anyone want to find it?

In short it is akin to saying that it is permissible to view anime/computer-generated pornography because it does not contain actual photos of actual people - try finding a rabbi to permit that.
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Posted 11 April 2007 - 03:57 PM

This- music in the 3 weeks?
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:44 AM

I hold this to be assur during sefira/three weeks, and I'd like it if someone could explain why it should be allowed (please be knowledgeable about how this music is produced, thank you). It is essentially no different than other "synthesized" music. There was an old thread about this....anyone want to find it?

In short it is akin to saying that it is permissible to view anime/computer-generated pornography because it does not contain actual photos of actual people - try finding a rabbi to permit that.



I don't know the halachos but is this worse than every other acapella album which uses reverb, autune and other effects that to an extent, "synthesize" the voices? I don't know of any acapella album in which you are hearing, "pure" voices. Perhaps with that thinking, they are all assur.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:09 AM

I don't know the halachos but is this worse than every other acapella album which uses reverb, autune and other effects that to an extent, "synthesize" the voices? I don't know of any acapella album in which you are hearing, "pure" voices. Perhaps with that thinking, they are all assur.

Surely a line must be drawn. Reverb, AutoTune, and the like, are used on most every album. The intent is normally simply to enhance and polish the sound, to make it sound like really good singing. What is done on A.K.A. Pella involves processing and distorting the human voice with the clear intent of making the finished product sound as close to actual instruments as possible, and not at all like a human voice. There is a world of a difference. The fact that the base samples start out with a voice recording means very little because a skilled audio editor can make a dying horse sound like Britney Spears if he wants to. Then again some might argue that those two voices are very similar to begin with, but you get my point.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:17 AM

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:23 AM

Surely a line must be drawn. Reverb, AutoTune, and the like, are used on most every album. The intent is normally simply to enhance and polish the sound, to make it sound like really good singing. What is done on A.K.A. Pella involves processing and distorting the human voice with the clear intent of making the finished product sound as close to actual instruments as possible, and not at all like a human voice. There is a world of a difference. The fact that the base samples start out with a voice recording means very little because a skilled audio editor can make a dying horse sound like Britney Spears if he wants to. Then again some might argue that those two voices are very similar to begin with, but you get my point.


Fair points,

However, to play devils advocate, reverb, autotune and other studio tricks that are used as standards on pretty much every album really do have the ability to allow some shnook who has no business putting out an album, do so. There are very few people out there who have "truly" horrible voices. Most people just don't know how to sing and if they could hit and hold the notes appropriately and keep a rhythm, they wouldn't sound half bad. I know specific guys who have no musical talent whatsoever, as I have heard them sing outside of a studio, who had the money to pay for songs and a studio, etc, and then put out albums. It's really that easy. So my point is, these effects are often taking unlistenable music and making it bearable. It is likely, like you said, Britney Spears is not all that musically talented but with the help of a studio, can sound like a pop star.

Like you said, the line has to be drawn somewhere. I honestly don't know where. Would it be assur to listen to Bobby McFerrin since he can naturally make his voice sound like an instrument? The line is definitely shady. I am not saying that groups that use these "synthesized voice/music" techniques should be mutter during this time. I'm just not sure if they are doing anything worse than the "more accepted" acapella groups are doing.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:55 PM

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This whole chumra is getting was outta #$%^ hand.

don't wanna listen to live music? Fine.

don't wanna listen to non-live music? Fine too.

But to go ahead and start hocking about some dumb acapella band that they are assur too?

Please.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:10 PM

:ph34r:

This whole chumra is getting was outta #$%^ hand.

don't wanna listen to live music? Fine.

don't wanna listen to non-live music? Fine too.

But to go ahead and start hocking about some dumb acapella band that they are assur too?

Please.

Stop being such a frummie.

You may call this a chumra but plenty of people would say that listening to it is a kula. You can't honestly argue that what this CD does is within the SPIRIT of the law, even if you might be able to argue that it is within the letter of the law.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:19 PM

You may call this a chumra but plenty of people would say that listening to it is a kula. You can't honestly argue that what this CD does is within the SPIRIT of the law, even if you might be able to argue that it is within the letter of the law.



The law, according to what I understand, is that Music in general is assur even during the year (Re: Rav Moshe Feinstein).

So people hold that at least during Sefira one should not listen to music.

The ban started with live music ..

then even recorded.

Now Acapella that bein Lav Hachi sucks big time too??

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 11:16 PM

I was a champion beatboxer in high school. I should put out an acapella album. :hippy:

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 11:55 PM

Surely a line must be drawn. Reverb, AutoTune, and the like, are used on most every album. The intent is normally simply to enhance and polish the sound, to make it sound like really good singing. What is done on A.K.A. Pella involves processing and distorting the human voice with the clear intent of making the finished product sound as close to actual instruments as possible, and not at all like a human voice. There is a world of a difference. The fact that the base samples start out with a voice recording means very little because a skilled audio editor can make a dying horse sound like Britney Spears if he wants to. Then again some might argue that those two voices are very similar to begin with, but you get my point.


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