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Where are the statements about the Vilna Gaon''s view of the Ramchal found, particularly the one that he has a perfect knowledge of Judaism?.
The Vilna Gaon and the Ramchal
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 10:16 PM
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?" -- Kierkegaard
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 11:37 PM
I dont know, but I was wondering if you could give a country/date to both? (as you can tell its been a long time since my last Jewish history class and Im trying to place this situation...)
If I have interesting things on the walls, no one will notice how dirty the floors are - right?
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:29 AM
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but I was wondering if you could give a country/date to both?
The Ramchal (R. Moshe Chayyim Luzzatto) born 1707 Padua, Italy, died 1746 in Acco.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:35 AM
The Gr"a proclaimed that there was not a single extra word in the first 11 perakim of Mesilas Yesharim, and he would not leave his house in the morning without first reciting Perek Aleph s/t like ten times--he felt he needed the awareness it generated before heading into the street.
That's a pretty solid endorsement.
IIRC, he may have also supported the view that the Ramchal was a gilgul of Rabbi Akiva (note that the Ramchal was niftar at 40, the age at which R' Akiva began to learn).
That's a pretty solid endorsement.
IIRC, he may have also supported the view that the Ramchal was a gilgul of Rabbi Akiva (note that the Ramchal was niftar at 40, the age at which R' Akiva began to learn).
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:54 AM
I have heard all of these things, the ones about Mesillas Yeshorim, willingness to walk by foot to greet the Ramchal, that the Ramchal was one of three people who understood the nimshol of Kabbalah, etc. I am wondering where they are originally found.
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?" -- Kierkegaard
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 09:12 AM
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IIRC, he may have also supported the view that the Ramchal was a gilgul of Rabbi Akiva (note that the Ramchal was niftar at 40, the age at which R' Akiva began to learn).
They are also buried next to eachother in Teverya, a nice distance from any other grave sites.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 01:21 PM
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egomaniac Posted on Aug 4 2004, 12:57 PM
sorry...but burial together only proves that people felt this way, it doesn't support the idea..
sorry...but burial together only proves that people felt this way, it doesn't support the idea..
Actually, there's a story behind the Ramchal's burial there...not having to do with human intent...
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 02:15 PM
sasson, on Aug 4 2004, 02:21 PM, said:
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egomaniac Posted on Aug 4 2004, 12:57 PM
sorry...but burial together only proves that people felt this way, it doesn't support the idea..
sorry...but burial together only proves that people felt this way, it doesn't support the idea..
Actually, there's a story behind the Ramchal's burial there...not having to do with human intent...
i stand corrected in that case
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 04:14 PM
melech, on Aug 4 2004, 02:43 PM, said:
lambda, on Aug 4 2004, 09:54 AM, said:
I am wondering where they are originally found.
I doubt in the writings of the Gra himself, I can only assume secondary sources.
I was hoping it would be written down by somebody who heard it from the GR"A, or at least from somebody who heard it himself from the GR"A.
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?" -- Kierkegaard
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 05:06 PM
melech, on Aug 4 2004, 05:15 PM, said:
yeah, I'm working on it. but I have relatives staying in my basement where all my seforim are.
off topic- you always know the sources of things- I imagine all your seforim take up so much room there is little space for the guests in your basement too. :D
If I have interesting things on the walls, no one will notice how dirty the floors are - right?
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:19 PM
the only reference I could come up with so far is at the back of one of my editions of Siddur HaGra is Orchot Chaim by R. Chaim of Volozhin. He makes no mention of the Ramchal in paragraph 59 which deals with sifrei mussar, but the commentary, Ohalei Chaim, lists some books which the Gra cherished (mechaveiv), and at the end says, "gam hasefer mesillat yesharim meRamchal z"l".
That's the best I can do since only my siddurim are upstairs.
ya know, I was thinking about something someone told me that the Gra kept a copy of mesillat yesharim in his tallit bag. What do you think the odds are that's true? I would imagine the Gra wore his tallit all day and probably didn't have a tallit bag.
That's the best I can do since only my siddurim are upstairs.
ya know, I was thinking about something someone told me that the Gra kept a copy of mesillat yesharim in his tallit bag. What do you think the odds are that's true? I would imagine the Gra wore his tallit all day and probably didn't have a tallit bag.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 10:33 PM
me_guy, on Aug 4 2004, 11:26 PM, said:
Even in the throne room?
You don't put your tallis in the bag when you go to the bathroom in shul, right?
That said, I don't see why he wouldn't have had a tallis bag. I don't keep my shoes in a shoe box, but there are certainly shoe boxes at the bottom of my closet.
