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Posted 30 December 2007 - 05:27 PM

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 06:15 PM

People shower on YT in hot water? This is the first I'm hearing of it...
Although I remember once I was in Atlanta and someone asked the Rov exactly this question and he answered the following
"There are 3 kinds of issurim:
1. Issur Mikker Hadin
2. Gezero D'Rabannan
3. Things "We just don't do"
and he classified this as #3...
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Posted 30 December 2007 - 06:38 PM

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:06 AM

That's what I don't get - I would think it's an issur de-rabbanan rather than things we just don't do since even if we were able to shower our entire bodies with hot water on YT on the grounds that today it's a shaveh le-chol nefesh, then there should still be a prohibition to use anything other than water heated on erev YT, rather than tap water likely heated on YT itself.


What about with hot water heated in a dood shemesh?

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:10 AM

I'm not sure exactly how those work, but I'm not sure how that would be different. After all, what's the big difference between that sort of hot water tank and one heated by gas? At the end of the day, the water you are using right now was heated maybe yesterday, but if it's YT day, it was maybe heated this morning, and you use it for ochel nefesh, and new water comes in that you may or may not use later in the day.


It is heated directly by the sun.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:15 AM

My rabbi always told me it was acceptable to shower on yom tov.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:16 AM

OK. Does that make a difference? On YT, are you allowed to use water that you heated by the sun? Is the halachah any different than water you heated over a fire?


You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:19 AM

You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos.

All water is heated by the sun.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:23 AM

All water is heated by the sun.


I mean directly from the sun.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 09:24 AM

I mean directly from the sun.

As oposed to indirectly heated?

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 10:45 AM

You are even allowed to use water heated by the sun on Shabbos.

Really? Cool. I didnt know that.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 02:58 AM

not sure if this is specific to 3day yomtovim, but the Rosh Kollel in my community said that it is permissible to wash your limbs individually if one can be cautious to not transgress squeezing water from hair when drying off.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 02:19 PM

why would you heat water up and not use it? That isnt the issue. the problem i see is changing a substance (soap/shampoo) which is considered melacha right?

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 02:30 PM

As oposed to indirectly heated?

Yes. There are four categories of cooking for this purpose: cooked directly by the sun, which is permitted, cooked indirectly by the sun (iow, say you heat oil in the sun and then put an egg on it, which cooks the egg), which is prohibited because it is indistinguishable from heating indirectly from fire. The second pair, cooking directly and indirectly with fire, is prohibited.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 02:35 PM

why would you heat water up and not use it? That isnt the issue. the problem i see is changing a substance (soap/shampoo) which is considered melacha right?


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Posted 22 March 2009 - 02:43 PM

Yes. There are four categories of cooking for this purpose: cooked directly by the sun, which is permitted, cooked indirectly by the sun (iow, say you heat oil in the sun and then put an egg on it, which cooks the egg), which is prohibited because it is indistinguishable from heating indirectly from fire. The second pair, cooking directly and indirectly with fire, is prohibited.



you forgot the category of heating water from the fires of the Gehenim.
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