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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:31 PM

cool, pasuk cherry-picking


Got a problem with that? And it's called 'bringing support'.

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:34 PM

What is מכשפה לא תחייה support for? Do you want them to stone this rebbetzin?

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:37 PM

What is מכשפה לא תחייה support for? Do you want them to stone this rebbetzin?


No, we don't stone people these days.

But if it is a form of witchcraft, then, in the presence of witnesses and a sanhedrin, why not?

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:37 PM

What is מכשפה לא תחייה support for? Do you want them to stone this rebbetzin?


She's plenty stoned already.
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:43 PM

No, we don't stone people these days.

But if it is a form of witchcraft, then, in the presence of witnesses and a sanhedrin, why not?

Ok, so you just don't know what you're talking about.

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:46 PM

No, we don't stone people these days.

But if it is a form of witchcraft, then, in the presence of witnesses and a sanhedrin, why not?


I think she is of less of interest to Ghostbusters and Holy Inquisition, and more of the ОБХСС and other authorities dealing with professional "אחיזת העיניים" .
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:47 PM

Ok, so you just don't know what you're talking about.


Oh and you do?

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:48 PM

I do, because I'm not one of the people who claimed this is kishuf or avoda zara.

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 05:57 PM

I do, because I'm not one of the people who claimed this is kishuf or avoda zara.


I never claimed it is kishuf or avoda zara. I said it is similar to it. Please read more carefully next time.

But yet again, I ask you, why is it not kishuf?

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:04 PM

Well, if it's only similar to A"Z, then let's do to them something similar to stoning - like mainlining ...
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:07 PM

I never claimed it is kishuf or avoda zara. I said it is similar to it. Please read more carefully next time.

If this is reminiscent or even has a source in pagan tradition, why is it not A"Z?

Devarim 18:10

לֹאיִמָּצֵא בְךָ, מַעֲבִיר בְּנוֹוּבִתּוֹ בָּאֵשׁ, קֹסֵם קְסָמִים, מְעוֹנֵן וּמְנַחֵשׁ וּמְכַשֵּׁף
וְחֹבֵר, חָבֶר וְשֹׁאֵל אוֹב וְיִדְּעֹנִי, וְדֹרֵשׁ אֶלהַמֵּתִים

Devarim 18:13

תָּמִים תִּהְיֶה, עִם יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ

Shemos 22:17

מְכַשֵּׁפָה, לֹא תְחַיֶּה

Just a lav?

I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right.

But yet again, I ask you, why is it not kishuf?

Do your own homework, go look at how the meforshim and the poskim define kishuf.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:12 PM

What is מכשפה לא תחייה support for? Do you want them to stone this rebbetzin?

No more than if she is mechalel shabbos; but she is what she is.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:25 PM

So you are standing by your statement that this is avoda zara?

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:35 PM

So you are standing by your statement that this is avoda zara?

I am standing by my statement that

"It probably is. That's ironic, given that avoydeh zooreh can have such a free pass in Hamodia. But I bet they wouldn't print an article about a Rebbetzin who is a tziyoyni.

On the other hand, these kind of magic, ritualistic folk practices have never disappeared from traditional communities, Jewish or otherwise. So long as they don't become the ikkar they seem to be tolerated. In other words, if many people were to forsake tefilla, mitzvos, etc., but practice these things instead then you probably would see real opposition instead of the response it gets, which is: 1) to look the other way, 2) to say it is avoda zara if asked, but do nothing about it or not even mean it, or 3) to assume that it must have a holy, traditional mekor, since frankly so much kabbalah looks a lot like the occult anyway."

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:43 PM

It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is.

It probably is.

Why is it 'probably'?

That's ironic, given that avoydeh zooreh can have such a free pass in Hamodia. But I bet they wouldn't print an article about a Rebbetzin who is a tziyoyni.

Why did you transliterate it using a Central (edit: or Southeastern) Yiddish accent?

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 02:52 PM

It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is.

Why is it 'probably'?

Why did you transliterate it using a Central (edit: or Southeastern) Yiddish accent?

I had someone in mind.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 03:25 PM

For the record, I couldn't find any mention of this in Darkei Teshuva* after looking for about 10 minutes, but I did find an interesting story about a traveling charlatan who would make tables float and tell the future, whose excuse was "tzaddikim in EY do this too!"

*Will someone please re-set the type and re-print this, with an index?

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 04:51 PM

*Will someone please re-set the type and re-print this, with an index?


no

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 03:15 PM

There's an app for that.


Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

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