[bigtoe]

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Ma'ariv has an interview with Rabbanit Keren, the woman who has 'inspired' dozens of haredi women to wear veils and burkas.

What does this self-styled holy woman believe? How does she live her life?

What did Ma'ariv find? Well…

Get it all at Failed Messiah
(and here)

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[Gabbe]

The Messianic Failure is metame bmaga umassa.

[Elana]

i was at my friend for shabbos and another guest said something like "some charedim are wearing burqas in israel now". i dismissed it, saying it's impossible.

before i faint (i read some of the stuff only, from the first link), please, please tell me these women don't exist.

[Melech]

Elana, on Feb 4 2008, 09:42 AM, said:

i was at my friend for shabbos and another guest said something like "some charedim are wearing burqas in israel now". i dismissed it, saying it's impossible.

before i faint (i read some of the stuff only, from the first link), please, please tell me these women don't exist.

They exist [apparently]. While some decry the slippery slope to the Left, there is also a slippery slope to the Right, and it isn't more pretty at the bottom, just another way to get there.

[Elana]

that is so scary!

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Miriam, 32, mother of six ... wears 5 skirts, two capes, seven scarves, and a veil angled to cover one eye. She uses the other eye to see in front of her, because she is disgusted by the idea of using her children as guide dogs.…

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The reporter describes how Keren's followers congratulate a woman who put on a veil a week ago. The woman tells how her husband doesn't approve, the neighbors point and a Haredi man, who turned out to be her small son's rebbe, shouted and threw fruit at her. Her son, who was with her, started to cry.

The rabbanit is upset that someone would waste food, but proclaims that "insults are a gift."

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She doesn't speak to men at all, and rarely to women; during the day she abides by a speech fast and prays.…
Her "small" daughter easily follows her unspoken instructions.…
The children of the veiled women have an important role. Some women "vitru" (have given up on) eyeholes in their veils, and their small children guide them in the streets.

[Melech]

Elana, on Feb 4 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

that is so scary!

Elana, what do you think is worse - upper arms with more than a tefach exposed from the elbow, or veiled women?

[Moshi]

bigtoe, on Feb 4 2008, 05:15 AM, said:

(and here)

This is a much better link than the Failed Messiah one.

[Elana]

melech, on Feb 4 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

Elana, what do you think is worse - upper arms with more than a tefach exposed from the elbow, or veiled women?

i thought about it after your previous post. i say the latter.

i'm still under a major shock. this is very distressing. does anyone here know one of these women personally? why are the rabbonim quiet?

[doodlehead]

melech, on Feb 4 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

Elana, what do you think is worse - upper arms with more than a tefach exposed from the elbow, or veiled women?

A choice between chumra and kulah?

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[Xi]

This is very frightening. It is frightening for the present that produces people who feel that to be close to Hashem they must act in such a manner. It is frightening for the futures of this group, of its children, and of the people it might influence.

It's not a chumra at all.

[doodlehead]

Xi, on Feb 4 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

It's not a chumra at all.

Why not?

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[*princess*]

When I showed this to Dh he said it looks like nonsense, if they are so 'frum' how are there pictures of them and why did they agree to the interview....

[Xi]

doodlehead, on Feb 4 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

Why not?

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Is washing your hands a million times chumra? What about drying it for five minutes? Davening for a day?

[Kalashnikover_Rebbe]

It is 50 crazy women, they are already being given far too much attention.......

[Xi]

Kalashnikover_Rebbe, on Feb 4 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

It is 50 crazy women, they are already being given far too much attention.......

True, but they are the product of a society.
Anyway, who cares about a million average strangers?

[doodlehead]

Xi, on Feb 4 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

Is washing your hands a million times chumra?

Depends.
You didnt answer the question.

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[Xi]

doodlehead, on Feb 4 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

Depends.
You didnt answer the question.

א איד ענטפערט מיט א פראגע.

[doodlehead]

Xi, on Feb 4 2008, 05:38 PM, said:

א איד ענטפערט מיט א פראגע.

Because you can't explain your answer?

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[Xi]

doodlehead, on Feb 4 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

Because you can't explain your answer?

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אזוי מיינסטו, הא?

I don't think what these burqa women are doing is that much different from the examples above, except in magnitude.

[doodlehead]

Xi, on Feb 4 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

אזוי מיינסטו, הא?

I don't think what these burqa women are doing is that much different from the examples above, except in magnitude.

How would you define a chumra?

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