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#21 brianna

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 12:30 PM

The point was that women arent "just all the same underneath" because otherwise the porn industry wouldnt make a cent.

In terms of crotch, yes they are. It's everything else that's interesting.

What it comes down to is that rabbis are more concerned about women's modesty because they are (presumably straight) men. They don't find a man's crotch area sexy.
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 12:34 PM

In terms of crotch, yes they are. It's everything else that's interesting.

What it comes down to is that rabbis are more concerned about women's modesty because they are (presumably straight) men. They don't find a man's crotch area sexy.

You know this because you have years of experience being a guy?

Thats is true. Straight men don't find men's crotch area sexy.


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Posted 09 March 2008 - 12:46 PM

In terms of crotch, yes they are. It's everything else that's interesting.

What it comes down to is that rabbis are more concerned about women's modesty because they are (presumably straight) men. They don't find a man's crotch area sexy.


It has to do with modesty,not being sexy. It's not very modest to show your crotch, whether or not it is sexy.
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 12:56 PM

It has to do with modesty,not being sexy. It's not very modest to show your crotch, whether or not it is sexy.

Fair enough. But we're not talking about going around naked. We're talking about wearing pants which covers the crotch. The argument is about showing the approximate shape of the crotch. Women's sexual organs are internal so I don't see why it's a problem. Men's are not.
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 12:58 PM

Women's sexual organs are internal so I don't see why it's a problem.

:ph34r: Wtvr.

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 04:04 PM

What it comes down to is that rabbis are more concerned about women's modesty because they are (presumably straight) men. They don't find a man's crotch area sexy.

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They presumably don't find a man's crotch area sexy.

ETA: The crotch area of a woman wearing pants looks similar to the armpit area of anyone. Do men also find that sexy?
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 04:10 PM

Isnt it odd that strips clubs make money if women are all the same underneath?

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Isn't it odd that McDonald's makes money if all Big Macs are the same? :dunce:
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 08:21 PM

The crotch area of a woman wearing pants looks similar to the armpit area of anyone.

Really? :unsure: I beg to differ.

And I don't know about the crotch area specifically, but I can tell you that many men do find women wearing pants to be quite sexy, especially considering the current styles of pants that are in fashion.
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 09:19 AM

spreading of legs by a woman is much more of a modesty problem when they are wearing skirts, wouldn't you say.

also, men use their testicles which are there on display for the whole world to see all too often underneath the pants.


Maybe men should just be assured from wearing spandex.

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 04:20 PM

Maybe men should just be assured from wearing spandex.

That's a start.
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 05:07 PM

Maybe men should just be assured from wearing spandex.

You mean it isn't already??? :bigcry:
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 06:24 PM

In terms of crotch, yes they are.

So wrong. So, so, wrong.

Women's sexual organs are internal

Bzzz. Wrong again.

There's a difference between 'sexual organs' and 'genatallia'.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 11:56 AM

Isn't it odd that McDonald's makes money if all Big Macs are the same? :dunce:

Nobody buys big macs because they find it sexy.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 12:16 PM

Rav Papa in Niddah 14a states that men are forbidden to wear pants!

(seems that briefs/boxer briefs are even more problematic) :unsure:
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 12:44 PM

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 11:36 PM

Briefs are first steps towards Kefira.

Whats the next step?

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#37 mosheshmeal

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 11:42 PM

When a man show the split between the legs, it is much more immodest than when a woman does it. Especially if the man is carrying extra pounds and the pants are tight around his waist. :thumbsdown:

True, whenever the pants are even a bit tight on the man, or if the man is a bit overweight and there is some pulling of the fabric, it's easy to see the outline of the man's crotch in pants.

I think pants on men are much more immodest since you can check out a guy's crotch. With a woman's crotch, there's not much to see.



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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:28 AM

Not me, but R. Henkin. And indeed he rules that the issue isn't so much pants vs. skirt for a woman, rather it's whether she is spreading her legs or not; a woman spreading her legs in a skirt [and don't forget spreading legs mimics intimacy regardless of what one is wearing] is more problematic in his view than a woman wearing pants who keeps her legs together.

Yah. :rolleyes:
the real modest thing to do is walk by jumping with ones legs together as a pair- this prevents any complications of leg seperation...

And when one sits- MAKE SURE to keep both legs firmly together- yet not too tight or the rear may tighten which will also not be tznius..
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 09:23 PM

Traditionally, women have looked toward men for financial support when choosing a mate. Men have looked for physical attractiveness (probably because of the positive correlation with fertility). Since a woman's physical sensuality is her primary means of attracting a mate, this becomes ervah. A man's physical body isn't as much the central attractive force for women. So for a man to show off his thick wallet is not tznius, but pants are OK.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 09:24 PM

A man's physical body isn't as much the central attractive force for women. So for a man to show off his thick wallet is not tznius, but pants are OK.

Interesting approach.
Certainly there is no shortage of married, left-wing harlots who do not cover their hair. Although, they're probably busy sacrificing their children to Ba‛al and filing divorce papers. ~ Milton

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