[brianna]

accolade, on Oct 26 2008, 11:51 AM, said:

How can one guarantee they will not suffocate their child? Take all the safety measures you want but I don't believe there's a foolproof way to do this.

I can understand the benefits, but there are risks.

Another precaution I've heard is to only sleep with a top sheet and not a blanket so as not to accidentally suffocate the child.

[lyric]

accolade, on Oct 26 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

There's no guarantee.

Nothing is 100%; babies don't come with guarantees anyway, and if you are the sort of parent who is going to stay awake worrying, it's not worth co sleeping.. OTOH to keep a baby in its own room from birth has a much higher risk than co sleeping. The received wisdom is to have the baby in the parental room until at least six months of age even if not co sleeping.

[NY-LON]

We did it because she woke up screaming all the time. Finally got her into her own crib (still in our room) at 18 months. Monster case of separation anxiety. I don't think we created it by co-sleeping--if anything we created it by moving her into her own room too quickly. She would wake up in her crib and scream and scream. I think if we'd just put the crib in our room when she outgrew her bassinet we would have had a much easier time.

I always said I'd never co-sleep but in the end, sleep was more important and that just wasn't happening with the screaming. (She was a poor candidate for Ferberizing even if we'd wanted to--she was the scream-till-she's-sick type.)

[Shuli]

accolade, on Oct 26 2008, 11:51 AM, said:

How can one guarantee they will not suffocate their child? Take all the safety measures you want but I don't believe there's a foolproof way to do this.

They do make little foam bumpers to keep you from rolling over onto the baby...it's like a soft basket that you place in the bed next to you. They also have cosleeping bassinets that attach to the side of the bed and allow you to lower the rail, so the baby is sleeping next to you and on your level, but not actually in the bed. I used one initially when my yingel was newborn. As lyric said, it's a personal decision each family makes, and if you're not comfortable cosleeping, don't do it.

[U Tarzan me Jane]

accolade, on Oct 26 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

There's no guarantee.

There are no guarantees in life, period. I know someone who lost a child who slept only on his back in his crib. What they don't tell you is back sleeping can deform the head to the point that it can put pressure on the brain and kill a child. As a parent, you need to choose whats best for your child and your family. Just because an expert says it, doesn't always make it true.

[politico]

lyric, on Oct 26 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

I have seen the research quoted by Rachel and it is skewed. It doesn't mention (1) breastfed v formula fed (2) firm bed v squidgy sofa. Both former options hugely decrease the risk of SIDS.

it certainly does.

[lyric]

politico, on Oct 26 2008, 09:46 PM, said:

it certainly does.

Where? I have read it twice more and can't see it... on the contrary, it seems to hint at the babies being formula fed:

"To investigate factors involved in how parents choose a sleeping place for their infants, the researchers looked at 708 mothers of babies up to eight months old who were getting nutritional assistance from WIC, a federal program to help low-income families.

I see they mention hard v soft surfaces though.

[accolade]

From here:

http://www.jpeds.com...0385-5/fulltext

"Regardless of race, most studies have found that BS is more common when the infant is being breastfed.31, 32 The rate of breastfeeding in our study population (15.4%) was slightly lower than the rate of breastfeeding at 6 months of age found in 1 study for WIC participants overall in 2003 (21.0%), which in turn was lower than for all 6-month-old infants in the United States (42.7%).37 Studies in low-income African-American mothers have not found a correlation between breastfeeding and BS.33, 34 However, McCoy found that breastfeeding and BS were correlated in the African-American subset of her cohort,32 and Lahr found this to be true only in higher income African-American mothers.31 Breastfeeding advocates cite ease of breastfeeding as an advantage of BS,6 and some have expressed concern that the recommendation for RS without BS will negatively impact on breastfeeding rates.38 Our study did not find an association between breastfeeding and the infant's sleep location. This is important because, whereas some studies have found that breastfeeding confers protection against SIDS,39, 40, 41 thus providing a rationale for encouraging BS, a recent study by Ruys et al found that the risk caused by BS is not significantly modified by the presence or absence of breastfeeding.12."

And more, if you read the whole thing. And it also mentions sleep surfaces.

[lyric]

Ok but that doesn't mean that is a definitive study. I am not an expert but my superiors say there are other studies that counterbalance that one. Every time there is a scare study like this one, the bf rates go down, because it is so much more difficult to bf at night without bs. I will try and find you some opposing research.

[accolade]

lyric, on Oct 26 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

Ok but that doesn't mean that is a definitive study. I am not an expert but my superiors say there are other studies that counterbalance that one. Every time there is a scare study like this one, the bf rates go down, because it is so much more difficult to bf at night without bs. I will try and find you some opposing research.

I don't care about opposing research (because I care about this research very very little). Just showing you what politico meant by her post.

[lyric]

Co-sleeping and bed-sharing
Throughout human history, babies have slept in close by their mothers. It is only in recent times, and particularly in the ‘developed’ world, that this practice has become less common.

Co-sleeping with your baby has many advantages for babies and for parents. If you are breastfeeding, your baby will be able to breastfeed without disturbing you and will be soothed by your presence. As a result, your baby is likely to cry less – and you will probably get more sleep!

Research suggests that bed-sharing is safer than falling asleep on a sofa with a baby and, provided that the parents have not been smoking, drinking or using drugs, and are not obese, is no less safe than putting the baby to sleep in a separate room.

Around half of all UK mothers sleep in bed with their baby at some time, so it is important for parents to know how to share their bad as safely as possible, and to know about the circumstances when bed-sharing has been shown to involve increased risks.

The Department of Health advises that bed-sharing (or co-sleeping) should be avoided if one or both parents:
is a smoker
has consumed alcohol
has taken mind-altering drugs or drowsiness-inducing medication
has a condition that can cause an altered consciousness eg diabetes or unstable epilepsy
is very obese
is excessively tired
Or
if either parent, or the baby, has a fever or has any signs of illness.

http://www.nct.org.u...a-to-z/view/230

[mosheshmeal]

Kalashnikover_Rebbe, on Oct 26 2008, 07:22 AM, said:

I'm against it just because they call it "cosleeping" and make a whole philosophy out of it, instead of just "sleeping in yo momma's bed"

How long did you last till momma kicked you out?

[Shuli]

mosheshmeal, on Oct 26 2008, 06:35 PM, said:

How long did you last till momma kicked you out?

Of bed, or the house?

[lyric]

Shuli, on Oct 26 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

Of bed, or the house?

Now I know why he made aliya

[politico]

lyric, on Oct 26 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

I have seen the research quoted by Rachel and it is skewed. It doesn't mention (1) breastfed v formula fed (2) firm bed v squidgy sofa. Both former options hugely decrease the risk of SIDS.

lyric, on Oct 26 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

Where? I have read it twice more and can't see it... on the contrary, it seems to hint at the babies being formula fed:

"To investigate factors involved in how parents choose a sleeping place for their infants, the researchers looked at 708 mothers of babies up to eight months old who were getting nutritional assistance from WIC, a federal program to help low-income families.

I see they mention hard v soft surfaces though.

when you say you "have seen the research," that implies that you've actually read the original publication, not just some media coverage of its findings. the statistical analysis in the fu et al. article very explicitly controls for breast/bottle feeding.

[politico]

lyric, on Oct 26 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

Ok but that doesn't mean that is a definitive study.

and you've offered even less of a definitive rebuttal.

[mosheshmeal]

Shuli, on Oct 26 2008, 06:42 PM, said:

Of bed, or the house?

Bed. Of course.

[lyric]

politico, on Oct 26 2008, 10:48 PM, said:

when you say you "have seen the research," that implies that you've actually read the original publication, not just some media coverage of its findings. the statistical analysis in the fu et al. article very explicitly controls for breast/bottle feeding.

Too long to paste this so here's the link

http://www.babyrefer...e%20Studies.htm

[politico]

lyric, on Oct 26 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

Too long to paste this so here's the link

http://www.babyrefer...e%20Studies.htm

i don't see how that link is supposed to compensate for your misleading statement about having seen the research.

[lyric]

politico, on Oct 26 2008, 11:22 PM, said:

i don't see how that link is supposed to compensate for your misleading statement about having seen the research.

I apologise if I have misled you. My superiors told me they had seen the research and that bf/ff was not incorporated into what they saw. I can only presume you and they were looking at two different sets of research.