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#1 Bezalel

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 01:44 AM

Mrs. Hillary KKKlinton, the wife of a former U.S. President, who herself was elected Senator of an ultra-liberal state after pretending to like Jews, is now whistling a different tune. http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/131734

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 01:56 AM

Not that I condone such things, but around here they call her "Hitler-y"....

And have they gone completely mad??? I understand their push for stopping the creation of new settlements and curtailing settlement growth, but do they REALLY expect Israel to uproot entire cities, that are barely over the Green Line??
Maybe this is a negotiating tactic to get smaller concessions, and they know it is unreasonable, but don't they realize it could backfire and destroy any chance at a "peace process" (not that I mind)....
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 02:09 AM

Does Slithery KKKlinton think that after her current gig is up she'll again be able to pretend to like Jews?

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 02:21 AM

Does Slithery KKKlinton think that after her current gig is up she'll again be able to pretend to like Jews?

I thought her hugging "Mrs." Arafat after her comments about the "evil Zionists" would have already said everything that needed to be said....
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 02:49 AM

Does Slithery KKKlinton think that after her current gig is up she'll again be able to pretend to like Jews?

If she's on the democrat ballot, who do you think most (democrat-voting) Jews will vote for?
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 04:01 AM

I'd like to see them even think about touching Betar Illit!

Those guys aren't going to come out hugging the soldiers and offering them tea like they did in Gush Katif...

Touching Betar Illit = civil war. C"V.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 05:53 AM

Once again it's the same old people with the same old fear/hatred mislabeling tactics. It's not Hillary or President Obama you should focus your resentment on but Israel, who signed the 1949 armistice (which unequivocally dictate lines) with Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. This armistice held firm (if I'm not mistaken) until 1967 (the six-day war), at which time Israel regained (by force) areas outside the armistice agreement. Bush (or any president since 1967) obviously didn't formally take care of business to ensure the armistice had been amended in accordance with the development of Jewish settlements extending outside the lines contained within the armistice agreement.

I continue to pray and hope for a resolution to this unfortunate situation that involve a redrawing vs. a relocation of residents; however, the legalities and technicalities are that the locations do violate the very agreement Israel initially signed.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 06:00 AM

This is why Israel just needs to create a new border and unilaterally pull out and give them a state on Israel's terms.

Eventually Israel's going to get a left wing PM that's going to do in on USA terms.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 06:11 AM

This is why Israel just needs to create a new border and unilaterally pull out and give them a state on Israel's terms.

Eventually Israel's going to get a left wing PM that's going to do in on USA terms.


That's probably what's going to happen if they don't come up with an alternative solution to present; some but not all.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 06:31 AM

This is why Israel just needs to create a new border and unilaterally pull out and give them a state on Israel's terms.

Eventually Israel's going to get a left wing PM that's going to do in on USA terms.


look why don't you just say tha twe should do away with the state all together. That is really what you think. You are believe tha 3 oaths are halacha and that israel should not have been formed in the first place. so stop this left wing propganda.

Israel needs to observe the Torah. According to your Torah Israel should not exist. But in anycase there certinaly no room for an anti Torah Israel.

I would say that since Yitchak Shamir which is like 17 yrs ago all the prime ministers have been left wing. some more than others but eventually we will get a right wing prime minister who will set things straght. all they have done is give more and more and more of the land that Hashem gave to us and this allowed our enemy to get stronger and stronger.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 06:40 AM

Why don't the Arabs have to give anything?
Anyone with half a brain in their head can see that Israel is dwarfed by the giants around her, surrounded by countries 50 times her size, and is only surviving miraculously. It's so hard for Saudi Arabia to give up a couple of miles?

But this is not logical. All we know is that in the end, those who do evil are punished, those who do good are rewarded, and we can only trust in G-d. That is our strength and most powerful weapon.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 06:47 AM

Why don't the Arabs have to give anything?
Anyone with half a brain in their head can see that Israel is dwarfed by the giants around her, surrounded by countries 50 times her size, and is only surviving miraculously. It's so hard for Saudi Arabia to give up a couple of miles?


It's not about brains or educational level. It's about valid agreements, renegotiation and the methods thereof.

But this is not logical. All we know is that in the end, those who do evil are punished, those who do good are rewarded, and we can only trust in G-d. That is our strength and most powerful weapon.


Agreed.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:14 AM

Once again it's the same old people with the same old fear/hatred mislabeling tactics. It's not Hillary or President Obama you should focus your resentment on but Israel, who signed the 1949 armistice (which unequivocally dictate lines) with Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. This armistice held firm (if I'm not mistaken) until 1967 (the six-day war), at which time Israel regained (by force) areas outside the armistice agreement.

The only problem with this is that JORDAN invaded and illegally occupied the West Bank from 1949-1967 and almost NO countries recognized their sovereignty over it. So there is no one to "give it back" to. Jordan took it illegally and doesn't even want it. Should it revert to British rule? They pulled out, so I guess it should go back to Turkey.....

Whether or not Israel has legitimate sovereignty over the "West Bank" has NOTHING to do with the "palestinians" who didn't even EXIST as a national or political entity in 1949......
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:25 AM

Once again it's the same old people with the same old fear/hatred mislabeling tactics. It's not Hillary or President Obama you should focus your resentment on but Israel, who signed the 1949 armistice (which unequivocally dictate lines) with Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. This armistice held firm (if I'm not mistaken) until 1967 (the six-day war), at which time Israel regained (by force) areas outside the armistice agreement.

Did Israel attack Jordan in 67 or did Jordan attack Israel? You make it sound like Israel just decided to take the West Bank one day. And does the holiness of the Western Wall and Chevron mean anything? Has international law and the UN proved itself to be an evenhanded instrument for protection of Jewish lives? Has the withdrawal from Gaza proved itself to have been a smart idea? All the got was Hamas and rockets Sderot. Did Jordan allow Jews access to the Kosel as per the wonderful 1949 armistice? Did Jordan destroy Jewish graves on Mount Olives?

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:46 AM

We are arguing with left wing religous fanatics here. You won't get anywhere. Being a modern liberal is being part of a very dangerous religion which costs us many lives.
It does not matter what our ememies do we are still to give them a chance and give in to them. And it does not matter what we do and what the results come out to be , the conclusion is always that we have not done enough. You even though pulling out of gaza was a disaster and should teach us not to pull out of any other place they will argue that it will only work when we pull out of all of the west bank as well. And if that were to happen Chas Ve Shalom then they will tell us we need to allow the refugees in .....

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 12:47 PM

Did Israel attack Jordan in 67 or did Jordan attack Israel? You make it sound like Israel just decided to take the West Bank one day. And does the holiness of the Western Wall and Chevron mean anything? Has international law and the UN proved itself to be an evenhanded instrument for protection of Jewish lives? Has the withdrawal from Gaza proved itself to have been a smart idea? All the got was Hamas and rockets Sderot. Did Jordan allow Jews access to the Kosel as per the wonderful 1949 armistice? Did Jordan destroy Jewish graves on Mount Olives?


Okay, my recollection and brief revisit indicates this: In 1967, Egypt rejected/ousted the UNEF before not only positioning an army on the borders of Israel, but refused access to a straight to ships flying Israeli flags or whose cargo was bound for Israel. This caused Israel to respond (and rightly so) by positioning their forces on the border of Egypt. It's my further understanding that Israel launched an initial attack via air strike against Egypt, which was viewed hostile even though Israel denied it, labeling it pre-emptive. Now, here's where Jordan comes into play, they had executed a mutual defense treaty with Egypt and attacked Israel based on that agreement. I'm not saying this agreement was valid in lieu of the armistice, which was signed earlier. It's my further understanding that following the war is when Israel gained control of the West Bank, Gaza, and other territories not agreed upon in the 1949 armistice.

I could be wrong.

I can't say I'm educated regarding Jordan allowing or disallowing Jews access to the Kosel per the armistice or on what basis they chose to. I'll have to educate myself more on that and learn what reasons they stated for doing such.* However, to me it's irrelevant in relation to the contents of the armistice. The UN should have enforced compliance with the agreement toward any country who violated it. Because one violates it doesn't give the other rights to do the same.

*Reasons don't necessarily validate action.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 12:54 PM

We are arguing with left wing religous fanatics here. You won't get anywhere. Being a modern liberal is being part of a very dangerous religion which costs us many lives.
It does not matter what our ememies do we are still to give them a chance and give in to them. And it does not matter what we do and what the results come out to be , the conclusion is always that we have not done enough. You even though pulling out of gaza was a disaster and should teach us not to pull out of any other place they will argue that it will only work when we pull out of all of the west bank as well. And if that were to happen Chas Ve Shalom then they will tell us we need to allow the refugees in .....


But you don't use any harsh language, do you? Ftr, I am not religious in the least. I am spiritual. There is a huge difference. I'm someone who wants to base my decisions on the entire truth, not just one side.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 02:23 PM

We are arguing with left wing . . . fanatics here. You won't get anywhere. Being a modern liberal is being part of a very dangerous religion which costs us many lives.

So it appears.

Now, here's where Jordan comes into play, they had executed a mutual defense treaty with Egypt and attacked Israel based on that agreement.

I thought that Egypt and Syria had a partnership, but I do not recall Jordan being a part of it. What I recall (and it could be a fable) is that Jordanian radar saw hundreds of airborne targets traveling from Egypt toward Israel, thought that it was a surprise Egyptian attack and that Israel would be doomed, and thus decided to participate in the battle so as to obtain some glory and/or land. Unfortunately for the Jordanians, it turned out that the radar targets were Israeli planes returning home after having destroyed the Egyptian air force.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 02:46 PM

So it appears.


You know better than that. I am disappointed in you.


I thought that Egypt and Syria had a partnership, but I do not recall Jordan being a part of it. What I recall (and it could be a fable) is that Jordanian radar saw hundreds of airborne targets traveling from Egypt toward Israel, thought that it was a surprise Egyptian attack and that Israel would be doomed, and thus decided to participate in the battle so as to obtain some glory and/or land. Unfortunately for the Jordanians, it turned out that the radar targets were Israeli planes returning home after having destroyed the Egyptian air force.


I am fairly certain that Jordan had a mutual defense treaty with Egypt signed a week before the initial air strike by Israel. I am also fairly certain Jordan did not strike Israel until after Israel attacked Egypt with a "pre-emptive" air strike viewed by Arabs as hostile. If what you say is true about the air strike, then I imagine they were right. As previously stated, if Jordan signed the treaty with Egypt post Armistice Agreement (which includes no warfare) with Israel I don't see how the latter could be valid. But, I'm not specialized in international law.
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