[Bezalel]

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/134525

I can understand the Austrians, given their Nazi proclivities, but the Swedes? It must be that the tournament, while held in Sweden, was being run by citizens from some other place.

[Pinchas]

Bezalel, on Nov 20 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

http://www.israelnat...ews.aspx/134525

I can understand the Austrians, given their Nazi proclivities, but the Swedes? It must be that the tournament, while held in Sweden, was being run by citizens from some other place.

Some say the Sweds were worse that the Austrians who some say are worse than the Nazis.

The Sweds fall in to the category of "polite anti-samiten." They won't let you stay in their hotels but will profusely apologies that there are no available rooms (etc.)

[Bezalel]

Pinchas, on Nov 20 2009, 07:30 AM, said:

The Sweds fall in to the category of "polite anti-samiten." They won't let you stay in their hotels but will profusely apologies that there are no available rooms (etc.)

I didn't realize that. I thought they would be similar to the Danes, who seem to like Jews.

[schiffschul]

Oh, you po'little lambs....

[krumlikeapretzel]

Pinchas, on Nov 20 2009, 07:30 AM, said:

Some say the Sweds were worse that the Austrians who some say are worse than the Nazis.

Which, of course, is why Raoul Wallenberg et al saved Jews by smuggling them to Sweden during WW2.

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The Sweds fall in to the category of "polite anti-samiten."

Seriously, I don't consider Sweden to be an anti-semitic country at all. Heck, they officially recognize Yiddish. I wish the same could be said about Israel.

With Bangladesh still banning their citizens from Israel, Venezuela desecrating shuls, and the UAE allegedly arresting Jewish travelers who are dumb enough to Fly Emirates™, I think the Swedes are much closer to being your friends than your enemies.

About the incident with Austria, it seems to be more along the lines of stupidity than an intentional snub, as anyone who can see through Arootz 7's alarmist spin can understand:

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In the Mödling incident, Friedman said, the organizers approached him when the winners were on the podium and told him that “we do not have a recording of the new Israeli anthem, just the old one.”... While the anthem was missing, the Israeli flag still hung proudly...

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The Israeli team's staff has no doubt that the incident was intentional.

The other day when I had a stomach ache I also had no doubt that guy on the train stepping on my foot was intentional.

Look, who matters more, the Fencing association or Hatsune Miku? Get my rift?

[Bezalel]

I wonder what "old anthem" they had?

krumlikeapretzel, on Nov 20 2009, 01:35 PM, said:

the UAE allegedly arresting Jewish travelers who are dumb enough to Fly Emirates™

Please elucidate.

[krumlikeapretzel]

Bezalel, on Nov 20 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

I wonder what "old anthem" they had?

"The one that said:

התקוה הנושנה לשוב לארץ אבותינו לעיר בה דוד חנה

instead of:

התקוה בת שנות אלפיים להיות עם חופשי בארצינו ארץ ציון וירושלים.

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Please elucidate.

I've heard rumors that if you fly between Asia and Europe and change planes in a Gulf country, if you have an Israeli passport, or maybe even an Israeli stamp in you passport, or maybe even a Jewish-sounding name you could be arrested and held without charges. I don't know how true these allegations are, but they most probably have some truth to them.

[velvym]

krumlikeapretzel, on Nov 20 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

I've heard rumors that if you fly between Asia and Europe and change planes in a Gulf country, if you have an Israeli passport, or maybe even an Israeli stamp in you passport, or maybe even a Jewish-sounding name you could be arrested and held without charges. I don't know how true these allegations are, but they most probably have some truth to them.

I have cousins who have been to Dubai, even quite recently, and they never faced any problems. They are Chasidish, look Chasidish, have Israeli stamps in their American passports, and have quite stereotypical Jewish last names.

[krumlikeapretzel]

velvym, on Nov 21 2009, 07:19 PM, said:

I have cousins who have been to Dubai, even quite recently, and they never faced any problems. They are Chasidish, look Chasidish, have Israeli stamps in their American passports, and have quite stereotypical Jewish last names.

Which is precisely why I wrote "allegedly". I didn't have any first-hand knowledge of what's going on.

[Bluelaptop]

A very frum-looking guy we know was in Dubai recently and claims to have been treated with respect.

[jewess]

krumlikeapretzel, on Nov 20 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

"The one that said:



I've heard rumors that if you fly between Asia and Europe and change planes in a Gulf country, if you have an Israeli passport, or maybe even an Israeli stamp in you passport, or maybe even a Jewish-sounding name you could be arrested and held without charges. I don't know how true these allegations are, but they most probably have some truth to them.

we travelled through dubai. (even got a starbucks at the airport-although i was nervous about that)
eta: i used my swiss passport which does not get stamped.

[krumlikeapretzel]

Bluelaptop, on Nov 21 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

A very frum-looking guy we know was in Dubai recently and claims to have been treated with respect.

So maybe the people who told me about having trouble did something else to get in trouble and then turned around and blamed the whole thing on anti-semitism (not unheard of) or maybe it was a one-time thing, or maybe it was a problem that existed and it has been fixed, or maybe they just made it up (not unheard of either). Which is why I said "allegedly" from the start (I knew my source was far from reliable).

[qgh]

the question is it a problem for Isralis to stop by in Dubai? the examples given were for frum /chasidish looking people with other passports. the incident may have been with an israeli passport.

[krumlikeapretzel]

qgh, on Nov 22 2009, 06:55 AM, said:

the question is it a problem for Isralis to stop by in Dubai? the examples given were for frum /chasidish looking people with other passports. the incident may have been with an israeli passport.

Could be...

[shaya_getzl]

Austrians pulled a good one - officially, they present themselves as "victims" of Nazism, as not to be subject to the repentance Germany had to show.

[krumlikeapretzel]

shaya_getzl, on Nov 25 2009, 01:45 AM, said:

Austrians pulled a good one - officially, they present themselves as "victims" of Nazism, as not to be subject to the repentance Germany had to show.

Who cares about Austria anyway? What did they give the world? Uggs, Kangaroo burgers and Crocodile Dundee? They don't even know when shabbos is...



Fig. 1: Playing the traditional Swedish horn on the Austrian Alps.