Idolatrous pan-halakhism isn't a joke, it's a heresy we're seeing RIGHT NOW.
charedim advised to use personal mechitzas on airplanes
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 01:11 PM
רמב"ם הלכות תשובה פרק העשירי, הלכה ב
העובד מאהבה - עוסק בתורה ובמצוות והולך במתיבות החוכמה לא מפני דבר בעולם, לא מפני יראת הרעה ולא כדי לירש הטובה, אלא עושה האמת מפני שהוא אמת
הלכה ג
אהבה גדולה יתרה רבה עזה עד מאד, עד שתהא נפשו קשורה באהבת השם ... וכל שיר השירים משל הוא לענין זה
העובד מאהבה - עוסק בתורה ובמצוות והולך במתיבות החוכמה לא מפני דבר בעולם, לא מפני יראת הרעה ולא כדי לירש הטובה, אלא עושה האמת מפני שהוא אמת
הלכה ג
אהבה גדולה יתרה רבה עזה עד מאד, עד שתהא נפשו קשורה באהבת השם ... וכל שיר השירים משל הוא לענין זה
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 01:21 PM
I misread the title as:
charedim advised to use personalmechitzas meshigas on airplanes
charedim advised to use personal
One for all, all for one!
I don't agree! I'm just lazy to type.
I don't agree! I'm just lazy to type.
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 01:26 PM
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 01:28 PM
Idolatrous pan-halakhism isn't a joke, it's a heresy we're seeing RIGHT NOW.
I love it when people try to be more machmir and end up doing an aveira or causing averia's to be committed. Between this, "Mahadrin" buses, an attemped
1) "I pray my wife has a sex addiction, because I'm more than happy to be an enabler" - Frummy frum
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 01:31 PM
as cynic's sig used to state, "you need a heter to be machmir -the shach."
additionally, the chazon ish (bk 10:5) rules that one may not issue a psak halacha which will result in a chillul haShem, even if the psak itself is halachically sound.
additionally, the chazon ish (bk 10:5) rules that one may not issue a psak halacha which will result in a chillul haShem, even if the psak itself is halachically sound.
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 05:56 AM
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism
If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.
Purple is indeed very important
The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"
If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.
Purple is indeed very important
The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 07:01 AM
misread?I misread the title as:
charedim advised to use personalmechitzasmeshigas on airplanes
did anyone here actually pasken? or are they just trying to sell something?as cynic's sig used to state, "you need a heter to be machmir -the shach."
additionally, the chazon ish (bk 10:5) rules that one may not issue a psak halacha which will result in a chillul haShem, even if the psak itself is halachically sound.
very cute, practical =/= chayav
יושב בשמים ישחק השׁם ילעג למו
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 07:07 AM
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 08:15 AM
I'm getting a translucent hamper, something like the photo at Jameel's blog and using it as my costume (to be worn over my head or whole body depending on what size I find). And if anyone else is going to the "P" is for Purim Party in Jerusalem, come up with something else to wear.
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism
If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.
Purple is indeed very important
The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"
If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.
Purple is indeed very important
The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 09:19 AM
I love it!!
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 09:41 AM
I say just ban traveling outright. I mean why not, if we're going to put fences around fences around fences around fences............. after all everything is assur unless a cheter can be found for it 
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1) "I pray my wife has a sex addiction, because I'm more than happy to be an enabler" - Frummy frum
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 09:45 AM
Heter. The first letter is a hei. היתרI say just ban traveling outright. I mean why not, if we're going to put fences around fences around fences around fences............. after all everything is assur unless a cheter can be found for it
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:12 AM
I think I'll market decorated brown paper bags as "modesty head covers" for use on airplanes and charge $10 a piece ($3 of which would go to the Rabbi willing to issue the "hechsher").
Certainly there is no shortage of married, left-wing harlots who do not cover their hair. Although, they're probably busy sacrificing their children to Ba‛al and filing divorce papers. ~ Milton
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:17 AM
($3 of which would go to the Rabbi willing to issue the "hechsher").
(though the bags themselves have to have a heksher)
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 12:01 PM
"very cute"?! Since when are shrouds "cute?"
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"i have come to believe that belle is closer to the truth" - Snag
"Belle is, of course, right." - Razie
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 12:38 PM
It annoys me when people don't know halacha.
I have on the word of an Av Beit Din (not saying where) that the only place you need a machitza is in a synagogue.
That means that even the mechitzas on the Monsey buses are unnecessary, even if people daven on the bus.
Well, if you heard it from an anonymous Av Beit Din, then for sure this means that everyone else doesn't know halacha.
Another thing. I used to take my contacts off when I went surfing. Very effective method of shimirat ayin. Why aren't these guys being advised to take their glasses off?
Brilliant. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
Oh, wait...
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 01:42 PM
Heter. The first letter is a hei. היתר
And the second letter in התר is?..
One for all, all for one!
I don't agree! I'm just lazy to type.
I don't agree! I'm just lazy to type.
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 01:47 PM
in the gemara and poskim it's often spelled with the yud.And the second letter in התר is?..
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 02:07 PM
Well, if you heard it from an anonymous Av Beit Din, then for sure this means that everyone else doesn't know halacha.
Brilliant. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
Oh, wait...
They could just ban eyesight......... or make women assur.
1) "I pray my wife has a sex addiction, because I'm more than happy to be an enabler" - Frummy frum
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 02:53 PM
Ha! And here I though Monte Cristo had invented a brilliant new term, "cheter", a combination of chet and heter...Heter. The first letter is a hei. היתר
Ask a seismologist why there was a tsunami, don't ask a rabbi. - Moshi
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