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charedim advised to use personal mechitzas on airplanes

Started by Bet Chesed , Feb 19 2010 09:06 AM

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#41 Snag

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 03:07 PM

And the second letter in התר is?..

in the gemara and poskim it's often spelled with the yud.

(in fact, according to the bar ilan search engine, the word heter sans yud appears in 'sifrus chazal, rambam umeforshov, tur uveis yosef, shulchan oruch, meforshim vechibburim' 841 times, while with the yud it appears in the same databases over thirteen thousand times. i heart my bar ilan

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"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."

"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."

-Mark Twain

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#42 Savannah

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 04:08 PM

Ha! And here I though Monte Cristo had invented a brilliant new term, "cheter", a combination of chet and heter...

Where's your cheter to own one of those?

please tell me that's some kind of joke.

It's a great pun. Cheit + heter = cheter!

Or maybe it's Charedi + heter?

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#43 YBS

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 04:19 PM

in the gemara and poskim it's often spelled with the yud.

yea, i'm low on sleep.

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I don't agree! I'm just lazy to type.

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#44 mosheshmeal

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 05:18 PM

I wonder how you say cute in hebraish.

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#45 Monte Cristo

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 05:34 PM

I invented a new word and concept :biggrin:

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1) "I pray my wife has a sex addiction, because I'm more than happy to be an enabler" - Frummy frum
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever

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#46 brianna

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 05:35 PM

I invented a new word and concept .

Nothing less than a bona fide meme.

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#47 warren

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 06:20 PM

So any more info on whether this is real or not? It's all over the net, but every one I've found traces back to the Post article. Lots of people repeating the same story doesn't make it more reliable.

I googled "Rabbinical Council for Public Transportation", it only found this story. But I googled Rabbi Shimon Stern (“They’re very nice,” ... “Very cute. It’s very practical.”) and found him in a story about separate seating on the bus where his organization is called "the Rabbinical Transportation Committee", and googling that found an article saying they had called for "ladies, seminary students and Bais Yaakov girls to closely adhere to halachic guidelines while using all public transportation, even if it is not running as a Mehadrin line.", objecting to the Jerusalem light rail. I didn't quite understand the issue there, but it's been discussed here before. They also called for people to choose movie-free flights and to visit the Kotel early in the morning or late at night to avoid crowds that could create immodest situations.

I also found this that says the committee represents the views of Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, Rabbi Aharon Leib Shteinman, Hasidic leaders, and Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and that ROY's son R Yitzchak Yosef is a member of the committee. Or it could all be a hoax by a loon (or a prankster) with a fax machine. It could be that everything up to now was legit but this is a joke.

But what's suspicious is that there's no info on where to buy the personal mechitza.

Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

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#48 LoveToLaugh

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 06:46 PM

Why make this just for airplanes? Why not have these instituted as part of the daily garb.

And for those saying 'this is just for Israel, it couldn't go in America', keep in mind that the flights gotta go somewhere outside of Israel and a vast majority do go to (or come from) America. So this can't be a 'just in Israel thing'.

God, grant us the...
Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
Courage to change the things we can, and the
Wisdom to know the difference
Patience for the things that take time
Appreciation for all that we have, and
Tolerance for those with different struggles
Freedom to live beyond the limitations of our past ways, the
Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.

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#49 Snag

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 07:23 PM

I wonder how you say cute in hebraish.

isn't it חמוד?

"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."

"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."

-Mark Twain

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#50 TheDuncePolice

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 07:35 PM

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#51 David F

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 02:07 AM

Or it could all be a hoax by a loon (or a prankster) with a fax machine. It could be that everything up to now was legit but this is a joke.

Don't loons work with Skype nowadays?

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#52 Monte Cristo

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 02:49 PM

Don't loons work with Skype nowadays?

Even if this is a prank the fact that it's beleivable is sad.

1) "I pray my wife has a sex addiction, because I'm more than happy to be an enabler" - Frummy frum
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever

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#53 warren

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 05:20 PM

Well here's my Purim costume, cost 20 shekels for the laundry sack and the hat. I have to cut armholes and reinforce them with tape so the whole side doesn't tear.

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Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"

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#54 moe says

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 06:05 PM

+5

יושב בשמים ישחק השׁם ילעג למו

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#55 LoveToLaugh

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 07:52 PM

Well here's my Purim costume, cost 20 shekels for the laundry sack and the hat. I have to cut armholes and reinforce them with tape so the whole side doesn't tear.

very good warren. I actually :biggrin:

! but its too seethrough, you gotta find something that really blocks your eyes!

God, grant us the...
Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
Courage to change the things we can, and the
Wisdom to know the difference
Patience for the things that take time
Appreciation for all that we have, and
Tolerance for those with different struggles
Freedom to live beyond the limitations of our past ways, the
Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.

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#56 TheDuncePolice

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 07:57 PM

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Believe me, every heart has its secret sorrows, which the world knows not; and oftentimes we call a man cold when he is only sad. ~ Robert C. Savage

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#57 Monte Cristo

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 09:08 PM

I hope you're going to have the 'news story' taped somewhere.

He could start a chumra, that would be awesome :glasses:

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1) "I pray my wife has a sex addiction, because I'm more than happy to be an enabler" - Frummy frum
2) "Hanukah is about throwing spears at people who ###imilate" - Rentsy
3) "Are you trying to say that consummating one's marriage is bittul Torah?" - Savannah
4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
"D*mn right" - Snag
6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
7) "I always thought belle was a woman........am i wrong?" - Village
8) "When searching for the common denominator for all the members of this site (marketing purposes), I discovered that all the participating members are 'black sheep' in their own cirlces. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked" - Silent J
9) "oy. bible porn. that seems wrong" - Jewess
"I didn't write the script!" - Moshi
10) "I was recently involved in a discussion about the "Yeshiva Uniform", you know where jeans epitomize Satan, and God dresses like an Oreo cookie...." - Isreali4ever

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#58 starwolf

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 11:52 PM

Well here's my Purim costume, cost 20 shekels for the laundry sack and the hat. I have to cut armholes and reinforce them with tape so the whole side doesn't tear.

What's the matter with you? Haven't you heard of hilchot tzniut? You want to tell me that you can't see the girls through that?

And green? Why green? Are you trying to draw attention to yourself? If black is good enough for Reb Sauron the Great, why isn't it good enough for you? Do you think you're smarter than Sauron?

הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

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#59 David F

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 02:00 AM

And green? Why green? Are you trying to draw attention to yourself? If black is good enough for Reb Sauron the Great, why isn't it good enough for you? Do you think you're smarter than Sauron?

Okay. Next time you quote RS"G*, I'll know who you mean.

*Not that I'm aware of your doing it so far.

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#60 warren

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 04:33 AM

I hope you're going to have the 'news story' taped somewhere.

I'm planning on taping the headline, or maybe the frumsatire ad to it.

If black is good enough for Reb Sauron the Great, why isn't it good enough for you? Do you think you're smarter than Sauron?

That's what the hat is for ...

Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"