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#21 TimeRebbe



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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:10 PM

that one is kind of self-fulfilling.....

well, yes, except that the dream was what convinced her to say yes, before she was still unsure. and also that she remembered it clearly even 20 years later
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:14 PM

well, yes, except that the dream was what convinced her to say yes, before she was still unsure. and also that she remembered it clearly even 20 years later

like i said.....

The other one though is kinda creepy....
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:11 AM

i don't know about the gemara, but rabbi menashe b. yisrael has a dissertation on dreams, both in the conciliator and in nishmas chaim, where he divides them into six categories, three "true" and three "false". i'll b"n try to post it tomorrow.


it's in nishmas chaim III:5, although i remmeber it being presented slightly differently in the conciliator, i can't seem to find my copy of that, and the online version is in the original Portuguese, which i cannot read.

essentially, he says that there are two types of completely false dreams; those where a person dreams of things related to his physical condition (e.g. if he is cold, he will dream of rain or snow, etc.), or things related to his mental state (i.e. things which he was thinking about in the recent past).

then there is the providential dream; where Hashem reveals things to people who are not prophets, by way of certain implications embedded in their natural dreams.

then there is the prophetic dream.

he gives examples and proofs for all of these, but i don't have the time to type it up at length. you can check the link i posted, or, if someone can link the relevnat pages of the conciliator...
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#24 Rentsy


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Posted 05 May 2011 - 10:24 AM

Well, self-fulfilling dreams might be the most pleasant.
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Posted 12 June 2011 - 02:37 PM

Isn't sleep actually an almost death-like state. Our heart beat slows down. There is little brain activity. In death every all of this completely ceases and the soul joins with the Creator. The Creator is all-knowing and I think thats why sometimes we wake up with these enlightening insightful dreams that either tell us something about our selves or just make us feel good. Maybe they don't mean anything at all but the good happy feeling we get is just a mark left on us by the soul's trip during our rest. Any thoughts?

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