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#21 Emmanuel.BarHen

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 05:55 PM

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 06:05 PM

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 07:53 PM

So they actually believed that the hymen would grow back?

It certainly sounds like it...
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 08:58 PM

So they actually believed that the hymen would grow back?

"Grow back" isn't the right term. The hymen isn't excised, it's "torn". So it is possible for scar tissue to form and "repair" the hymen, just like it's possible to surgically reconstruct the hymen in women who have had sexual intercourse, a procedure whose popularity is on the rise among certain segments of the Muslim female population.

Grow back would imply that a body part is cut off which needs to regenerate itself, like the arm of a starfish. This is obviously impossible.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 02:28 PM

anyway, the "three years old" girl that the gemorah talks about, is not the same as today. Remember that Rivka Imenu married with Itzchak at age 3. So even if you want to say "why talmud bothers with sex at age 3", you must understand the difference in time.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 02:33 PM

anyway, the "three years old" girl that the gemorah talks about, is not the same as today. Remember that Rivka Imenu married with Itzchak at age 3. So even if you want to say "why talmud bothers with sex at age 3", you must understand the difference in time.

According to the Zohar, yes. But others use different chronological reasoning and say she must've been at least about 10 or even 14, iirc.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:58 AM

I also wonder if they thought that seating a woman over a barrel of wine and smelling her breath could determine if she was a virgin. http://jewishworker....-is-virgin.html

If her breath smells like alcohol, she's probably not.
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Posted 07 June 2010 - 07:32 PM

According to the Zohar, yes. But others use different chronological reasoning and say she must've been at least about 10 or even 14, iirc.


Whether 3, 10, or 14, it looks like we have less room to criticize Mohammed as a paedophile.
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Posted 07 June 2010 - 09:04 PM

Well, Muhammad didn't predate history.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 12:05 AM

anyway, the "three years old" girl that the gemorah talks about, is not the same as today. Remember that Rivka Imenu married with Itzchak at age 3. So even if you want to say "why talmud bothers with sex at age 3", you must understand the difference in time.



Yea, but even when she married him, they weren't together right away. Some people are married but later on are together. (for example Jews in Iran got married very early- legally, but were living together at a later time. They did that because the muslims demanded to take Jewish females from a certain age and up (unless they were already married).

anyway, the "three years old" girl that the gemorah talks about, is not the same as today. Remember that Rivka Imenu married with Itzchak at age 3. So even if you want to say "why talmud bothers with sex at age 3", you must understand the difference in time.



Yea, but even when she married him, they weren't together right away. Some people are married but later on are together. (for example Jews in Iran got married very early- legally, but were living together at a later time. They did that because the muslims demanded to take Jewish females from a certain age and up (unless they were already married).
Also Rifka couldn't have been 3 because no 3 year old can feed 10 camels buckets and buckets of water. She obviously was much older at the time that Eliezer came to find Yitzhak a wife. (maybe she was ~13 which is normal especially in past generations).

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 05:22 AM

Why are there so many topics about sex with children around here?
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 05:01 AM

the Talmud doesnt talk about the psychological effects. its interesting how we know so much about the human psyche today, and while there is still more to learn, dont u think psychology would have been discussed more in the Talmud? the Amoraim knew more than we know. a few generations ago a rabbi was supposed to have read a textbook and instructed a surgery.
but anywho, i digress. when i first learnt in 4th grade chumash about a man living with an animal, and in 9th grade about the whole sex with a 2 year olda and the heymen thing it disturbed me very much. of all the pages to teach kids...
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