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[Pinchas]

Woops. Whatever post it was (#30?)

Who cares.

(See, I'm being snotty.)

[Psychodad]

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[FYI]

You have become an expert in the 'snotty' field I see. I'm proud.

[Psychodad]

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[TheDuncePolice]

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[micha]

In the meantime, there is a real problem that this story might get people within the community more aware of, and we're busy making fun of the article???

BTW, just today a new pair of sefarim came out on the subject by R' Dr Daniel Eidensohn (who compiled the indeces to the Igeros Moshe and Mishnah Berurah) and Dr . Baruch Shulem. Something to think of buying if you are interested in the topic or to donate to the local synagogue, social work or communal organization to help them better address this critical issue in our communities. (Or you could just continue to ridicule the article... Tablet often has easy targets.

This book is divided into two volumes – each of which is a complete work and yet they clearly supplement each other. Volume II deals with the classic Jewish sources that are relevant to define and understand the issue of abuse, obligations to help one another, sexuality and saving others from harm – as well as the nature of rabbinical authority. It includes the responsa from the major poskim on these issues. These sources are all translated into English but the original Hebrew text is also presented. Volume I serves as a commentary and explanation of the meaning of the material in volume II. It discusses the application of these ideas to contemporary reality, as well as providing religious context for today’s society. To buy (through AishDas’s Amazon Associate store):

• Volume I
• Volume II

(Truth in advertising: I have an essay in vol 1, pp 22-233 "Watering our Weeds - Changing the System". Largely a hashakafah piece.)

-micha

[Pinchas]

In the meantime, there is a real problem that this story might get people within the community more aware of, and we're busy making fun of the article???

micha,

We feel for you. But that's what Hashkafah.com has become since you left... a bunch of snotty brats.

[Savannah]

In the meantime, there is a real problem that this story might get people within the community more aware of, and we're busy making fun of the article???

This is the Entertainment forum. Go take your serious post elsewhere.

[micha]

This is the Entertainment forum. Go take your serious post elsewhere.

I didn't know that violating

אַ֥שְֽׁרֵי הָאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֤ר ׀ לֹ֥א הָלַךְ֮ בַּֽעֲצַ֪ת רְשָׁ֫עִ֥ים
וּבְדֶ֣רֶךְ חַ֭טָּאִים לֹ֥א עָמָ֑ד וּבְמוֹשַׁ֥ב לֵ֝צִ֗ים לֹ֣א יָשָֽׁב׃
Enriched is the person who has not followed the advice of the wicked,
nor in the way of the sinner has not stood, nor sat in the hangout of the scornful.

was excusable by claiming "entertainment".

Pinchas is right; this is nothing like the h.com I left. I'm sorry I stopped by when this thread appeared in my Google results...

-micha

[Sweet]

I didn't know that violating
was excusable by claiming "entertainment".

Pinchas is right; this is nothing like the h.com I left. I'm sorry I stopped by when this thread appeared in my Google results...

-micha

Let's be honest, Micha, while you may not have intended to be condescending, and this issue is obviously close to your heart, there are less offensive ways you could have begun your first post in three years. Something like "On the topic of timely books about abuse in the Orthodox community..." There's no need for acrimony.

[Pinchas]

There's no need for acrimony.

But acrimony makes the world go round.

[Sweet]

micha,

We feel for you. But that's what Hashkafah.com has become since you left... a bunch of snotty brats.

For you, #####head, there are no words.

[Pinchas]

For you, #####head, there are no words.

I love you too!

Let's never fight again!

[Pinchas]

micha,

In all seriousness, I enjoyed reading your posts very much when you posted here. There were a handful of posters back in 2004 and 2005 that really raised the level of discussion on these forums. I felt you were always one of them. Don't get me wrong. There are wonderful capable posters here today, but the culture has changed. Things that weren't acceptable before (such as the above exchange) now are... is it better? Is it worse? It just is.

[Kalashnikover_Rebbe]

בעקבות משיחא חוצפא יסגא, ויוקר יאמיר: הגפן תתן פריה והיין ביוקר, ומלכות תהפך למינות, ואין תוכחת, בית וועד יהיה לזנות, והגליל יחרב, והגבלן יישום, ואנשי הגבול יסובבו מעיר לעיר ולא יחוננו, וחכמות סופרים תסרח, ויראי חטא ימאסו, והאמת תהא נעדרת. נערים פני זקנים ילבינו, זקנים יעמדו מפני קטנים, בן מנוול אב, בת קמה באמה, כלה בחמותה, אויבי איש אנשי ביתו, פני הדור כפני הכלב, הבן אינו מתבייש מאביו.

[Sweet]

I love you too!

Let's never fight again!

It took all my will-power to not jump into a phone booth and break out my filter busting skills. I think we should just agree to ignore each other whenever possible.

[Pinchas]

It took all my will-power to not jump into a phone booth and break out my filter busting skills. I think we should just agree to ignore each other whenever possible.

Would you believe me if I told you I find your posts quite humorous and hold not the slightest bit of animosity toward you?

(You probably wouldn't but it's true.)

[Sweet]

Would you believe me if I told you I find your posts quite humorous and hold not the slightest bit of animosity toward you?

(You probably wouldn't but it's true.)

No, you're right, I wouldn't. Wait, you can't be right. Your wrong, I do believe it... Wait, I can't believe it... AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[Pinchas]

No, you're right, I wouldn't. Wait, you can't be right. Your wrong, I do believe it... Wait, I can't believe it... AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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[micha]

Let's be honest, Micha, while you may not have intended to be condescending, and this issue is obviously close to your heart, there are less offensive ways you could have begun your first post in three years. Something like "On the topic of timely books about abuse in the Orthodox community..." There's no need for acrimony.

You're correct that I came in angry... But realize how I found this thread. As already discussed within the thread, it was mentioned in Moment Magazine. So here you have a major non-frum platform discussing sexual abuse in the Orthodox community, they quote your words as "proof" of our backwards attitude and denial of the problem. You sit there, discuss the article, and no one sobers up?!


So yes, I came in angry.

-micha