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[justbatya]

Rodrigo: Concierto de Aranjuez.

Yes, yes, very nice!

[LoveToLaugh]

[semi-nasty post about Sarah Brightman/Bocelli clip deleted, because it's not my thread and I know I'm a snob]

i'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

[justbatya]

Gluck: Che farò senza Euridice rom Orfeo e Euridice, sung by Andreas Scholl, countertenor

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i'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

I just don't know on what planet that qualifies as classical music. Not because it's not old-- there is plenty of "classical"/art music being written now, but this is clearly a pop song in every regard. She is a former Broadway star and now I guess pop singer, and he's a crossover artist. The fact that I dislike the song is not relevant, I just don't think it falls in the genre.

[LoveToLaugh]

I just don't know on what planet that qualifies as classical music. Not because it's not old-- there is plenty of "classical"/art music being written now, but this is clearly a pop song in every regard. She is a former Broadway star and now I guess pop singer, and he's a crossover artist. The fact that I dislike the song is not relevant, I just don't think it falls in the genre.

Is it not opera either?

[justbatya]

Is it not opera either?

No, it's a stand-alone song in the pop genre. Vocal music that sounds semi-classical-ish does not mean opera. Nor does being accompanied by an orchestra. To be called opera, a piece must come from an opera, which is a staged work combining music score and text (libretto). Otherwise it's vocal music-- which can be part of an oratorio, a song, a movement from a mass, a track from a pop CD, or many other things.

From wiki: Time to Say Goodbye was composed by this guy. Last line is key.
Francesco Sartori (born 1957) is an Italian composer and piano and trumpet player best known for composing "Con te partirò" ("With you, I will go") with Lucio Quarantotto for Andrea Bocelli. The song was also recorded as a duet entitled "Time to Say Goodbye" with Bocelli and Sarah Brightman. The pair also composed "Canto della Terra" and "Immenso", both recorded by Bocelli for his 1999, Sogno album and "Mille Lune Mille Onde", for his 2001 album Cieli di Toscana. "Canto della Terra" was also later recorded as a duet between Bocelli and Brightman in 2007. Sartori and Quarantotto, working for Sugar Music, have composed much of Bocelli's pop repertoire.^[1]

[LoveToLaugh]

No, it's a stand-alone song of pop music. Slow vocal music does not mean opera. A piece must come from an Opera, which is a staged work combining music score and text, to be called opera, otherwise it's vocal music-- which can be part of an oratorio, a song, a movement from a mass, a track from a pop CD, or many other things.

From wiki: Time to Say Goodbye was composed by this guy. Last line is key.
Francesco Sartori (born 1957) is an Italian composer and piano and trumpet player best known for composing "Con te partirò" ("With you, I will go") with Lucio Quarantotto for Andrea Bocelli. The song was also recorded as a duet entitled "Time to Say Goodbye" with Bocelli and Sarah Brightman. The pair also composed "Canto della Terra" and "Immenso", both recorded by Bocelli for his 1999, Sogno album and "Mille Lune Mille Onde", for his 2001 album Cieli di Toscana. "Canto della Terra" was also later recorded as a duet between Bocelli and Brightman in 2007. Sartori and Quarantotto, working for Sugar Music, have composed much of Bocelli's pop repertoire.^[1]

I don't think last line shows this song to be crystal clearly pop and nothing else. Listen, you obviously know classical music a lot better than me but I don't think its crazy to include this song in the list. According to wiki and other sites, this falls into the 'classical crossover' genre and I don't agree that's 'clearly a pop song in every regard' although I see how it differs from other songs mentioned here. This is the only sort of opera/classical song I've ever really enjoyed aside from Nessun Darma.

[justbatya]

Listen, you obviously know classical music a lot better than me but I don't think its crazy to include this song in the list. According to wiki and other sites, this falls into the 'classical crossover' genre and I don't agree that's 'clearly a pop song in every regard' although I see how it differs from other songs mentioned here. This is the only sort of opera/classical song I've ever really enjoyed aside from Nessun Darma.

Listen-- (I already was listening, wasn't I?)-- classical crossover is not classical and tends to strike an angry chord with people who know and love classical music, but you can post whatever you like. That's why I hesitated to post my comment in the first place.

[Moshi]

OMG H.com is full of high brow cultured snobs!

I am dismayed.

[LoveToLaugh]

Listen-- (I already was listening, wasn't I?)-- classical crossover is not classical and tends to strike an angry chord with people who know and love classical music, but you can post whatever you like. That's why I hesitated to post my comment in the first place.

gotcha. BTW, I put in the word listen as if I was speaking to you in person, so don't take it as anything more than that.

[justbatya]

gotcha. BTW, I put in the word listen as if I was speaking to you in person, so don't take it as anything more than that.

No problem.

[LoveToLaugh]

No problem.

And i'm glad you posted what you did. In case i'm ever with other classical snobs, i can share my disdain about people referring to Bocelli's song as classical!

[justbatya]

And i'm glad you posted what you did. In case i'm ever with other classical snobs, i can share my disdain about people referring to Bocelli's song as classical!

You'll come off as quite smart for saying, "actually, he's a classical crossover artist, and it's not opera"

[LoveToLaugh]

You'll come off as quite smart for saying, "actually, he's a classical crossover artist, and it's not opera"

Then they'll ask me what my favorite three opera singers are. And I'll excuse myself so I can text batya!

[Tova]

Then they'll ask me what my favorite three opera singers are. And I'll excuse myself so I can text batya!

Just say the 3 tenors...but know who they are.

[justbatya]

Just say the 3 tenors...but know who they are.

Everyone knows that! It's Pavarotti, Domingo... and the other one

Anyone remember this? It was many years before I got the joke, but that's one of the great things about Sesame Street.

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[Moshi]

Everyone knows that! It's Pavarotti, Domingo... and the other one

Anyone remember this? It was many years before I got the joke, but that's one of the great things about Sesame Street.

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Nice. Is Domingo actually singing on that? Is the joke about opera pitches going up and down?

[justbatya]

Nice. Is Domingo actually singing on that? Is the joke about opera pitches going up and down?

No, it's not him. I guess it could be about that, I hadn't thought of that, certainly works!

Classic Sesame Street

[accolade]

Some of my favorites:
Grieg

[moe says]

option for hd...

do it!

second of the ninth, in two parts.

absolute madness!

[starwolf]

IMO, there may be some cultural achievements that surpass the Ninth.
But if so, they are few in number.