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#21 mediabias

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 10:58 PM

its amazing what people get passionate about
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#22 RebDan

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 11:25 PM

I looked up chapter 8 in Tosefta Eruvin & didn't see anything similar to that quote. I've never heard of Midrash Talpiyos but I'll trust Snag that it exists, which makes it a relatively recent, obscure text unrelated to the Talmud.

I don't have time to go through the whole list from that page now, but having gone through similar lists before, they all turned out to be fabrications, mistranslations, or taken out of context.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 02:48 PM

I looked up chapter 8 in Tosefta Eruvin & didn't see anything similar to that quote. I've never heard of Midrash Talpiyos but I'll trust Snag that it exists, which makes it a relatively recent, obscure text unrelated to the Talmud.

I don't have time to go through the whole list from that page now, but having gone through similar lists before, they all turned out to be fabrications, mistranslations, or taken out of context.

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 01:43 PM

A major problem is that statements in the Gemara are (intentionally) stated out of context and w/out the proper tools to analyze them. Without knowing what a gezeirah shavah is or having any understanding of the rules for interpreting the Gemara you can make a lot of false assumptions which is why people put "this is what the Jews Gemara really :rolleyes: says/means" stuff on the internet.
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Posted 04 April 2011 - 10:28 PM

A major problem is that statements in the Gemara are (intentionally) stated out of context and w/out the proper tools to analyze them. Without knowing what a gezeirah shavah is or having any understanding of the rules for interpreting the Gemara you can make a lot of false assumptions which is why people put "this is what the Jews Gemara really :rolleyes: says/means" stuff on the internet.


Can you explain to me how the thickness of the boards of the mishkan was calculated and how the dimensions of the pillars of the courtyard of the mishkan were determined. That is something that is still bothering me...

Thankx.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 12:59 AM

There seem to be many quotes from the Talmud that suggest that Gentiles are not human, and that it is OK to deceive them in business/life in general. Are these fabrications, or if not, what is the explanations behind these verses?

i think you are a poser who is trying to entrap jews into saying bad things about gentiles. dont just join this site to make s fly. this site is for jews.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 09:09 AM

Interesting. I have attempted to study the Talmud myself after reading such quotes. Firstly I couldn't find any Talmud in the book store (where I can read it for free). Every time I would pick up a book titled "The Talmud" there would be in very small print "commentary on". What books I found online were much too expensive. Then I found "free" reading of the Talmud online. I somehow doubt it is the true deal or completely. The free reading was rather a boring compilation of laws.

Actually quotes like this are what attract me to Judaism in all honesty and make me want to learn more. The majority of people I meet have a cow-like mentality. They want other people to take care of them, guide them and direct them. They wish to live in a non-competitive world and get very upset at any hint that the world is not there to take care of them.

I see even non-Christians seem to be fundamentally Christian in their blood. They want some "jesus" or the government or someone to take care of them. I have mentioned this to anti-semites repeatedly: I find nothing strange that Jews as a group would care primarily about Jewish interests and not be serving the well being of non-Jews. What seems odd to me is that non-Jews would somehow expect that everyone in the world is honest and trustworthy and going to take care of them like a little baby.

I myself look to associate with people who have a predator mentality like a wolf rather than a stupid sheep. It is not that I am immoral or seek to harm people but I feel it is actually immoral to be responsible for my neighbor. I have lived through a lot of hell because of liberal policies which feed and care for people who make poor choices. As these people proliferate their natural failure, crime and other behavior starts to affect their neighbors. I feel the universe is in balance when a total imbecile starves or when a criminal is put away. What I find totally unbalanced is this marxist view that other people are going to take care of you and that everyone is just as good as the next. Basically that would mean I am of the same value as a rapist, theif, etc. lowest common denominator.

I like the idea of superiority. Of simply striving to do better and better and living in a competitive environment. An idea that if I am fooled once shame on you, fooled twice shame on me.

I'm really baffled by the utter prevalence of loser mentalities and attitudes. Judaism to me is a breath of fresh air and usually reflects my own conclusions, behaviors and feelings before I ever knew anything about Judaism.

As much as I criticize Jews and Judaism it seems to me that 99% of anti-semities are simply jealose. That is the whole marxist/christian view- tear others down rather than rise to their level. Try to tell everyone we are all equal scum. I don't feel like I'm worthless garbage so that's one reason I could never be christian (the oft repeated phrase about all of us being unworthy sinners).

Whenever I talk to people about doing better, taking responsibility and also talk about investing and finance and making money people will usually start to hate me and get angry at me. Some of them call me a Jew and I get physically threatened. So I see the root of this anti-semitism is jealousy.

I have tried to reason with White Nationalists online because seemingly there is an easy solution to all their complaints. More or less they could organize like every other group to protect their own interests and help their own. Rather instead they spend all their time talking about how much they hate non-whites. So I really don't understand that attitude either.

I guess I'm too much different from other people to completely understand them all the time. But I don't feel like I should hold back my own opinion of them- I think people who act this way are losers. It's pretty clear their behavior leads to failure. They can get angry at me all they want for saying this, but I feel its more dangerous to perpetuate a culture that hates truth, reason and accomplishment.

In the same way I notice in our culture if someone is smart they are a "geek" and attacked. If beautiful they are called a "######" and attacked. People seem to be attracted to blondes so they make jokes about blondes and insult them based on that. The rich are hated as are white males. Yet in our culture its unacceptable to make fun of the stupid, the black, female etc.

It's a culture that hates achievement and superiority. I totally can't understand why people would put such effort into being losers and despising accomplishment.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 09:15 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 09:46 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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I am also on the satanic forum by the way.

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In a complete view of the world the demon and angel fuse into one being- the god head. In true monotheism satan and god are the same being (obviously if you believe in more than one its polytheism). The human being himself should connect with his "shadow". So a complete person is one who is comfortable both with aggression and winning and also with compassion and sympathy.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:11 AM

Sorry, dude, you don't know the first thing about Judaism and your impression is very much mistaken. Jews are just as much sheeple as anybody else.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:18 AM

Sorry, dude, you don't know the first thing about Judaism and your impression is very much mistaken. Jews are just as much sheeple as anybody else.


Moreso, in some demographics...

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:21 AM

:-\

I am also on the satanic forum by the way.

http://www.the600club.com/forum/

In a complete view of the world the demon and angel fuse into one being- the god head. In true monotheism satan and god are the same being (obviously if you believe in more than one its polytheism). The human being himself should connect with his "shadow". So a complete person is one who is comfortable both with aggression and winning and also with compassion and sympathy.


When you are looking directly at light your shadow is behind you.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:51 AM

Sorry, dude, you don't know the first thing about Judaism and your impression is very much mistaken. Jews are just as much sheeple as anybody else.


A cultural expression or religion is very much like a glove- it will conform to fit the hand that wears it. The true basis of spirituality is in the nature of the beholder.

Yet I can be a leader and strong and totally not contradict Judaism from what I understand. Whereas it is in total opposition to the basic doctrines of Christianity and most likely Islam, Buddhism etc.

Though it's hard to take Christianity seriously because it contradicts itself.

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Therefore I take whatever small taste of leadership and reason I can find.

I have been working on my own cultural-religious-ethnic-private society group, because oddly there is no religion or group out there that really seems to reflect my own nature totally or my own beliefs. Though this system is extremely similar to Judaism.

Primarily I find Judaism to be cumbersome in regards to ancient rituals, laws etc. It is so ancient. It is like an old building with all these new additions built on it. Whereas sometimes its more efficient to start anew I think. So that's what is cool about the system I was working on it takes some of the best elements of various things.

Greatest weakness though is the absolute lack of tradition. If no one joins I'll have to start a family and inbreed them as a people apart I guess. I know only one thing- it is very important for me to remain distinct from the sheeple.

I would say modern wealth has cast humanity backwards into degeneration. All population groups seem to be degenerating. There needs to be cultural adaptation to the modern world.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 11:34 AM

Good luck. But FYI, whatever you're looking for, you're not going to find it on this forum.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 11:36 AM

Good luck. But FYI, whatever you're looking for, you're not going to find it on this forum.


I won't find it anywhere. I simply socialize and whatever people see value in me will be drawn to me.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 11:44 AM

Goy doesn't mean unclean AFAIK. The Jews themselves are called Goy Kadosh (Holy Nation). Goy just means nation.

This is a very antisemitic website rather akin to the blood libel in the past.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 12:05 PM

Then I found "free" reading of the Talmud online. I somehow doubt it is the true deal or completely. The free reading was rather a boring compilation of laws.

again, i would strongly advise you to do some research. the talmud is primarily a 'boring' compilation of laws.

Goy doesn't mean unclean AFAIK. The Jews themselves are called Goy Kadosh (Holy Nation). Goy just means nation.

correct. in fact, it is reported that for this reason r' jb soloveitchik did not say "shelo osani goy" but "shelo osani nochri".
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."

"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 12:20 PM

hmm it seems difficult to take all this sacred literature seriously then. It's similar with the Torah I wonder why don't they simply organize the bloodlines into a chart that is easily referenced and remove it from the literature. Then organize the literature by subject. Rather as it stands it seems to be an incoherent mix of bloodlines, history, laws, commandments.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 12:23 PM

hmm it seems difficult to take all this sacred literature seriously then. It's similar with the Torah I wonder why don't they simply organize the bloodlines into a chart that is easily referenced and remove it from the literature. Then organize the literature by subject. Rather as it stands it seems to be an incoherent mix of bloodlines, history, laws, commandments.

because we believe the Torah to have been authored by G-d Himself, and that there is infinite significance in each word and letter, and their positions relative other words and letters, etc.

and you would probably prefer 'sacred literature' which was more about mysticism and allegory, but we actually live by these codes, so the 'boring laws' are vitally important.
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."

"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 12:24 PM

hmm it seems difficult to take all this sacred literature seriously then. It's similar with the Torah I wonder why don't they simply organize the bloodlines into a chart that is easily referenced and remove it from the literature. Then organize the literature by subject. Rather as it stands it seems to be an incoherent mix of bloodlines, history, laws, commandments.


What sacred literature? You've been looking at some [email protected] of some misquotes by some antisemites.
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