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#1 doron

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:25 PM

Hello all, I am an American considering making Aliyah with Nefesh B'Nefesh, but I have one question at the moment that's causing me a bit of stress. I'm concerned with the fact that I'm not sure if I want to spend the rest of my life in Israel. I know I want to spend at least six months at an Ulpan/Kibbutz learning Hebrew, I want to serve in the army for the full three years, and I'm also thinking about getting my master's at Hebrew University. But I'm unsure about the future, whether or not at some point I might return to the States, or where ever else for that matter. Do you think that's selfish, to make Aliyah through Nefesh with the possibility of leaving after 5-10 years? As I have said, nothing's for certain besides the army, but I'd appreciate your advice. Thanks for your time.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 05:04 PM

Doron, everything we do in our lives is really selfish...I think as long as you are upfront about the uncertainty of your future, it isn't any more selfish than people using NBN to make regular aliyah :)

Best of luck with your future and decision!
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Posted 08 April 2011 - 05:06 PM

He shouldn't do it.
Made aliyah 08/2011
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If most people on this forum are "normal" I'd rather be "off".
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Posted 09 April 2011 - 01:56 PM

If you haven't lived in Israel before, how do you know how you will react? As long as your decision is to really give Aliya a try, and to sincerely try to make it here, there is nothing dishonest about having vague plans for the future.

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 02:00 PM

Doesn't NBN have a minimum amount of time that you have to stay before the "loan" becomes a grant? As long as you in good faith stay the required time, I really don't see the issue. Also you say you plan to serve 3 years in the army, that sounds like you are "earning your keep" to me, even if you don't stay...
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Posted 09 April 2011 - 08:19 PM

Hello all, I am an American considering making Aliyah with Nefesh B'Nefesh, but I have one question at the moment that's causing me a bit of stress. I'm concerned with the fact that I'm not sure if I want to spend the rest of my life in Israel. I know I want to spend at least six months at an Ulpan/Kibbutz learning Hebrew, I want to serve in the army for the full three years, and I'm also thinking about getting my master's at Hebrew University. But I'm unsure about the future, whether or not at some point I might return to the States, or where ever else for that matter. Do you think that's selfish, to make Aliyah through Nefesh with the possibility of leaving after 5-10 years? As I have said, nothing's for certain besides the army, but I'd appreciate your advice. Thanks for your time.


No. It's hard to say five years or ten years from now you may changing your mind about leaving Israel and decide to stay. Even if you can only grab a few years living in Israel, it would be worth it anyways. Selfish? You are willing to serve in the IDF and put your life at potential risk. You are a hero, not a selfish guy.
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Posted 09 April 2011 - 09:34 PM

Doron, everything we do in our lives is really selfish...I think as long as you are upfront about the uncertainty of your future, it isn't any more selfish than people using NBN to make regular aliyah :)

Best of luck with your future and decision!

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 10:04 PM

Hello all, I am an American considering making Aliyah with Nefesh B'Nefesh, but I have one question at the moment that's causing me a bit of stress. I'm concerned with the fact that I'm not sure if I want to spend the rest of my life in Israel. I know I want to spend at least six months at an Ulpan/Kibbutz learning Hebrew, I want to serve in the army for the full three years, and I'm also thinking about getting my master's at Hebrew University. But I'm unsure about the future, whether or not at some point I might return to the States, or where ever else for that matter. Do you think that's selfish, to make Aliyah through Nefesh with the possibility of leaving after 5-10 years? As I have said, nothing's for certain besides the army, but I'd appreciate your advice. Thanks for your time.

Obviously nobody knows what the future will bring, but you need to move with the intention of staying rather than with the thought in the back of your head that as soon as the going gets tough, you'll hightail it back to America.

If you're truly unsure if you want to make aliyah, then go to the army, go to school, but don't make aliyah officially until you're sure.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 08:16 AM

Doesn't NBN have a minimum amount of time that you have to stay before the "loan" becomes a grant?


Yes. It's three years.

Doron, come. For all we know you'll meet a girl who will want to stay. (It could happen the other way too, you'll want to stay but will meet a girl that wants to leave.)

Anyway, it's not dishonest if you're willing to give it a shot for 5 years. Even, K-Rebbe didn't revoke his American citizenship. And the possibility of an "emergency" fallback is always in the back of Olim's minds even if we don't admit it. Come!

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:15 AM

Under the circumstances you presented, Doron, I think you should go. You plan to stay for at least five to ten years. No one really knows they will stay in Israel forever when they make Aliyah. I think the fact that you intend to serve in the Army makes a difference too.
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:17 AM

Selfish? You are willing to serve in the IDF and put your life at potential risk. You are a hero, not a selfish guy.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 05:16 PM

Serving in the army will make you more comfortable in making a decision about staying. You should postpone all final decisions until then...

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 03:58 AM

Doron,

No one knows what will happen in 5 years. Don't worry about making Aliya now. You're not being selfish - you're being practical. If you planned on taking NBN money, staying in Israel for 1 year as a party, and then going back, that would be selfish.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 04:17 PM

I wouldn't take NBN money. My grandfather gave me good advice: any money you take from Israel they will get back twicefold. The economy in Israel can be very challenging. I am in school in America in order to re-orient myself to the Israeli economy. I believe its important to keep all options open, especially considering all the Israelis who come to America for work-- hundreds of thousands if I am correct...




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