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Posted 16 September 2011 - 01:10 PM

does anyone remember the story about the chofetz chaim, when a man came to him, claiming to have found the keilim from the bais hamikdash in a cave?

I seem to recall a surprise ending...
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 02:05 PM

does anyone remember the story about the chofetz chaim, when a man came to him, claiming to have found the keilim from the bais hamikdash in a cave?

I seem to recall a surprise ending...


It was mentioned in the book 'All For The Boss' I believe...
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 02:31 PM

hmm...
don't have a copy handy...
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Posted 17 September 2011 - 09:05 PM

Iirc, R Herman was told to tell the guy not to say anything and then he (R Herman) should burn the letter from the CC
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Posted 17 September 2011 - 10:52 PM

Iirc, R Herman was told to tell the guy not to say anything and then he (R Herman) should burn the letter from the CC


Why?

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 10:54 PM

right. I even remember a version that involved closing the mouth of the cave with the fellow who found it trapped inside. there is a foolish tendency to assume that hastening the redemption is necessarily a good thing, always. I seem to recall another story from All for the Boss, wherein R' Herman was shown signs that his daily, intense prayers for moshiach should be discontinued. Intriguing notion.
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Posted 17 September 2011 - 11:52 PM

right. I even remember a version that involved closing the mouth of the cave with the fellow who found it trapped inside.


So murder is suddenly ok?

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 12:06 AM


Why?

I think 'the time wasn't right' or something.

right. I even remember a version that involved closing the mouth of the cave with the fellow who found it trapped inside.
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That part sounds very strange.... as Int points out, why isn't that murder, plain and simple?
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:01 AM

maybe he had food in there. maybe it's not an act of murder, even if there isn't food, like the cheshbon of the shivtei-kah, who lowered yosef into a pit full venomous snakes and scorpions- if he's deemed worthy by HKB"H, he won't die. maybe idk what the justification is, but I'm just trying to remember the story. (ie, a kasho oif a ma'aseh)
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:38 AM

I googled and found a link to the pages from the book, according to which no one was trapped in the cave. The link is to page 148, but the story begins on 146, so scroll up.
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:40 AM

that's no proof, all for the boss is likely to have the pg-13 version of the story.
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:48 AM

that's no proof, all for the boss is likely to have the pg-13 version of the story.

Had you said that when the book was first mentioned (instead of "don't have a copy handy") I would not have looked for it.
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 07:52 AM

next time, you'll know better.
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:19 AM

maybe he had food in there. maybe it's not an act of murder, even if there isn't food, like the cheshbon of the shivtei-kah, who lowered yosef into a pit full venomous snakes and scorpions- if he's deemed worthy by HKB"H, he won't die. maybe idk what the justification is, but I'm just trying to remember the story. (ie, a kasho oif a ma'aseh)


If you lower someone into a pit (even empty of snakes and scorpions), and walk away and he dies of starvation, I think you would be liable for capital punishment for murder (given the usual provisions of witnesses, etc.). Making it is murder, plain and simple.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:22 AM

could be...

I'm just trying to remember the story.
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:42 AM

I seem to vaguely recall the meam loez (before the time of the CC) talking about two cohenim having a catch and then being clumsy and discovering a loose floor tile... then I'm blanking on the rest...

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 08:45 AM

Okay... found something:

http://www.chabad.or...s-Courtyard.htm



The Talmud records the following incident: It once happened that priests were sitting and sorting wood in this Chamber, when one of them noticed that a floor tile was loose. He realized that this led to the secret tunnel in which the Holy Ark was hidden.

[The Ark had been hidden during the time of Yeshayahu (Isaiah) towards the end of the First Temple era. When the Jews returned from the seventy-year exile, the Ark could not be found. Tradition says that there was to be no Ark during the Second Temple era.]

The priest, who had discovered the hidden place of the Ark, sought to crack open the tile with his hatchet, when suddenly fire issued forth and consumed him. This was taken as an omen that the Ark should remain hidden.


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Posted 19 September 2011 - 07:54 AM

thanks.
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